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Old February 9 2014, 07:48 PM   #121
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Re: VOY: Protectors by Kirsten Beyer Review Thread (Spoilers!)

Another thought that's been gestating, regarding the theme of family - I notice several instances in Protectors that are suggestive of mixed-race and inter-cultural families. There's a Trill named Pauline (which could be a native Trill name, but I like to think it's the human name), and Admiral Verdell (a human name) has a ridged forehead in spite of it, and a son named Lawrence. It's nice to see authors mix-and-matching given the diverse population of the UFP.

Of course, we had a Capellan named Leonard canonically...
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Old February 10 2014, 12:24 AM   #122
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The Worlds of the First Quadrant seem an interesting addition to the Trek 'verse, and I like that the Full Circle fleet now potentially has a home base in the Delta Quadrant.
why don't the fleet go straight to the 37's planet? They can definitely built homebase there with the help of more than 150k humans as potential resources

and, the only bad boys there are the Kazons, who were not worthy of Borg Assimilation
That's way too far away. It makes no sense to make the homebase there, when the Talaxian asteroid where Neelix lives is so much closer, not to mention the chain of relays required to communicate with Starfleet would have to go through thousands of lightyears of hostile territory.
I don't think so
150K+ human resources is the strong point that no other places will provider....

and don't forget to check on Blink of An Eye planet, they might have 10millenium Starfleet technology equivalent by now
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Old February 10 2014, 01:26 AM   #123
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why don't the fleet go straight to the 37's planet? They can definitely built homebase there with the help of more than 150k humans as potential resources

and, the only bad boys there are the Kazons, who were not worthy of Borg Assimilation
That's way too far away. It makes no sense to make the homebase there, when the Talaxian asteroid where Neelix lives is so much closer, not to mention the chain of relays required to communicate with Starfleet would have to go through thousands of lightyears of hostile territory.
I don't think so
150K+ human resources is the strong point that no other places will provider....

and don't forget to check on Blink of An Eye planet, they might have 10millenium Starfleet technology equivalent by now
The resources aren't the issue - it's the distance. The 37's planet is too far away from the Federation to be the first place they go to.
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Old February 10 2014, 01:52 AM   #124
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I absolutely loved it. It was hard to not look at this thread for the past dozen days. I am glad that I bought this on the first day, because 90% of the time I end up reading my TrekLit months or years after it has come out and I end up getting spoiled. But Kirsten's novels are too good to wait for, and I love to support the cause of her writing more of them with my hard earned money.

I was very surprised by several developments in the book. Axum, the Voth, the Vadduar (can't wait to see more of them), the Paris family drama. I loved everything about the story. I was very unsure of how Janeway's career options would turn out. I was open to anything, but was very relieved when she returned to the post that was rightfully hers.

I'm also glad that some of the action took place in the Alpha Quadrant, and that that seems to be something which will continue. And the scene where Picard and Janeway have a heart to heart was one of the most memorable scenes in TrekLit history.

When Axum showed up I was trying to remember if anything had been established about Unimatrix Zero in the books so far. I seem to remember Greater Than the Sum addressing the issue, but I can't recall any of the specifics.

I'm very excited that this is the start of a 'trilogy.' When the novels have been mostly one-offs unitl now they have been wonderful, but with so many plots left right in the middle of the action, it was a heck of an ending this time around. I'm glad the gap between novels will be considerably smaller for Acts of Contrition.

Kirsten, I've expressed before my admiration for your work, but this novel really had me in awe of the immense understanding you have for Voyager and it's characters. You are a master. I also look forward to reading the original fiction you have on the way someday. Congratulations on become a NYT best selling author. Can't wait to hear your new interview tomorrow!

Two questions:
1) Have you thought of an explanation for some of the multiple appearance of several races threwout the Delta Quadrant, despite Voyager crossing many tens of thousands of lightyears between encounters with them? For instance the Devore were encountered both before and after Voyagers 20,000 lyr journey threw a Borg transwarp conduit. The Malon were encountered across at least 30,000 lyrs of space. And most noticably, Neelix's people somehow crossed the entirety of the Delta Quadrant, from Talax to New Talax, about 40,000 light years, and also coincidentally in the exact same direction Voyager was traveling. Maybe some of these issues will play into the emerging storyline of the new political landscape of the post-Borg Delta Quadrant?

2) The end of the book states that it has been two months since Axum was discovered, which occurred at the beginning of the novel. However the Historian's Note says the book takes place from September to January. As I read I only see about two and half months of time passing. I know I've bothered you about timeline problems before, and hope I don't bring up something else that slipped through the cracks, but can you help me understand the chronology of events here?

Thanks for your help and all your work Kirsten. Can't wait to see what the future holds.
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Old February 10 2014, 08:55 AM   #125
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and don't forget to check on Blink of An Eye planet, they might have 10millenium Starfleet technology equivalent by now
"No need to leave, Captain. Once we've helped you out of orbit, hold position at the edge of the system and wait a few hours. By then, our trans-slipstream super vessels will be able to pick you up and transport you instantly back home. Of course, your home will by then be a province of the Mighty and Unrivalled Galactic Tahal-Meeroj Empire".

"Yes. That's why I just ordered our antimatter reserves flushed out into your atmosphere".

*awkward pause*

"...Sorry".


(a joke, of course)
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Old February 10 2014, 08:59 AM   #126
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Have you thought of an explanation for some of the multiple appearance of several races threwout the Delta Quadrant, despite Voyager crossing many tens of thousands of lightyears between encounters with them? For instance the Devore were encountered both before and after Voyagers 20,000 lyr journey threw a Borg transwarp conduit. The Malon were encountered across at least 30,000 lyrs of space. And most noticably, Neelix's people somehow crossed the entirety of the Delta Quadrant, from Talax to New Talax, about 40,000 light years, and also coincidentally in the exact same direction Voyager was traveling..
While I naturally have no idea what Beyer is planning, the most likely explanation in my mind is the Vaadwaur/Turei subspace corridors. In the case of Talax, we know they reached all the way to the Talaxia system, so assuming someone could slip past the Turei, they could use them? Since a Devore colony was mentioned in Dragon's Teeth, we might have an explanation for what the Devore are doing paling around with the Vaadwaur and Turei - they already knew about the corridors?

If not that, then maybe the Malon, for instance, have a stable wormhole or something?
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Old February 10 2014, 02:23 PM   #127
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Looking forward to hearing another interview with Kirsten.
Thanks! Y'all have any questions? I can try and squeeze some in!
Haven't listened to it yet, but the interview is now online:

http://trek.fm/literary-treks/litera...ing-kathy.html


Re: Protectors

I finished it yesterday and I'm about to start writing the review, but it's kind of hard to judge. On the one hand it definitely isn't on par with Children of the Storm (the high point of the Voyager relaunch IMO), on the other hand it's better than I feared after Janeway's resurrection (although that could be because Janeway is separated from the rest of the fleet for most of the novel, as in my opinion writing Janeway and Chakotay together is Kirsten's one big weakness).

Still haven't decided if I will give it an average or above average on the poll.
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Listening to the LiterarayTreks podcast now with Kirsten Beyer great discussion about Protector and her upcoming Voyager books.
Thanks for the link and for listening! It is always wonderful to get to spend time with Kirsten!
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Old February 10 2014, 06:27 PM   #128
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Hmm. Personally, I find current ST fiction to be just a bit too "threaded" for my taste: frequently, I find myself having to leave myself notes on how one book of a multi-book arc ended, just to avoid getting lost, three or four months later, when the next installment of the arc comes out.

The current opus isn't nearly so bad, but still, just getting through the first 40 pages prompted me to look up several things on Memory Beta.

Now, as a fan of Alan Dean Foster's "Humanx Commonwealth" books (and his "Spellsinger" books as well), and of Lyman Frank Baum's 14 canonical "Oz" books, and of Robert Asprin's "Myth-" books, I'm not exactly unfamiliar with the concept of a book-to-book continuity. But you can pick up any "Commonwealth," "Spellsinger" (with the exception of The Hour of the Gate), "Myth-," or "Oz" book, without intimate knowledge of its immediate antecedents, and not feel like you're being kept in the dark.

By contrast, some 70 pages in, I can't help thinking that there's something I've forgotten about what happened to the Q, and the Omega Continuum, and Eden, and q, at the end of The Eternal Tide, that's essential to understanding the present opus.

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Judging by the excerpt, I can tell this is going to be another of those books where I read through it all in one day because it's so good, then get sad immediately afterwards that I didn't stretch it out for longer
388 pages in a day? Who do you think you are? Evelyn Wood?
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Old February 11 2014, 05:29 AM   #129
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I finished it yesterday and I'm about to start writing the review, but it's kind of hard to judge. On the one hand it definitely isn't on par with Children of the Storm (the high point of the Voyager relaunch IMO), on the other hand it's better than I feared after Janeway's resurrection (although that could be because Janeway is separated from the rest of the fleet for most of the novel, as in my opinion writing Janeway and Chakotay together is Kirsten's one big weakness).

Still haven't decided if I will give it an average or above average on the poll.
The review is online now at Unreality SF.

Short excerpt:

What Beyer does really well with her Voyager novels is to fulfil the promise the TV show had, but was never really able to use: being out there in the unknown, exploring strange new worlds. Kirsten Beyer does exactly that with interesting new species and entities like the Children of the Storm, the Pro(te)ctors, or the Confederacy of the Worlds of the First Quadrant, where the TV show often felt more like a poor man’s TNG with new alien makeups. During the parts of the novel set in the Delta Quadrant, Beyer makes very good use of the different strengths of the characters to let them solve the problems they’re faced with, which makes it all the more of a pity that not more space is spent here.
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But I actually dropped by tonight to share something else with you guys. I started the acknowledgements of this book by thanking my readers and noting that your enthusiasm for these books can be credited with their continuation.

Now, that enthusiasm has given me even more than as sense of personal fulfillment and the satisfaction of knowing that what I'm writing really connects with many of my readers.

Because tonight, my full name just got a little longer.

It's not Kirsten Mother Fucking Beyer anymore.

Going forward, its New York Times Bestselling Author, Kirsten Mother Fucking Beyer.

You guys did this. I still can't believe it. All I really wanted to say tonight was thank you.

So...thank you, one and all.

As you were.

Best,
Kirsten
I have to say well done! You took what was a disaster of a series (VOY-R) and made it very good. You deserve the praise and the sales. We would not be enjoying this so much had you not done such a good job with the characters.

Please keep up the good work and congratulations on being a best selling author!

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Just posted my review. Spoiler alert: I absolutely LOVED it!

Also, a huge congratulations to Kirsten Beyer! Well done, and very much well-deserved!!!
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Just posted my review. Spoiler alert: I absolutely LOVED it!

Also, a huge congratulations to Kirsten Beyer! Well done, and very much well-deserved!!!
Always love your reviews, mine is being edited as we speak.
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Just posted my review. Spoiler alert: I absolutely LOVED it!

Also, a huge congratulations to Kirsten Beyer! Well done, and very much well-deserved!!!
Always love your reviews, mine is being edited as we speak.
Thanks! I enjoy yours as well, and I really liked your interview with Kirsten Beyer the other day!
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Old February 12 2014, 02:21 PM   #134
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Just posted my review. Spoiler alert: I absolutely LOVED it!

Also, a huge congratulations to Kirsten Beyer! Well done, and very much well-deserved!!!
Always love your reviews, mine is being edited as we speak.
Thanks! I enjoy yours as well, and I really liked your interview with Kirsten Beyer the other day!
Thank you! She is such a joy to talk to, every time we have her on I wish we could talk for hours

My review is up!
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Not quite halfway through, and noticing that so far, this is a conspicuously theme-driven piece (with a title that neatly sums up that theme):






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