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Outstanding 34 40.96%
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Old February 5 2014, 08:13 PM   #91
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Is it just me, or does it seem like Captain Farkas is being modeled on Genevieve Bujold's brief-portrayal of Captain Janeway. Every time that the character appears in the book, I seem to imagine that it is Bujold who is playing the part.
Hmmm. I hadn't thought of it that way, but now that you mention it...
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Old February 5 2014, 09:42 PM   #92
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Looking forward to talking to Kirsten tonight for LT!
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Really enjoyed the last KB podcast. I can't wait to hear this one after I finish Protectors.
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Looking forward to hearing another interview with Kirsten.
Thanks! Y'all have any questions? I can try and squeeze some in!
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Old February 5 2014, 11:10 PM   #93
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I voted Outstanding because of the Janeway character growth! Looking forward to talking to Kirsten tonight for LT!
Just what I had hoped for
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Old February 5 2014, 11:55 PM   #94
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Is it just me, or does it seem like Captain Farkas is being modeled on Genevieve Bujold's brief-portrayal of Captain Janeway. Every time that the character appears in the book, I seem to imagine that it is Bujold who is playing the part.
Speaking of that sort of thing (and maybe someone has mentioned this) but isn't there also a sly nod to Nicholas Locarno in there as well?
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Old February 6 2014, 01:07 AM   #95
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Loved the book. Can't quite get a handle on the chronology, and I didn't like Paris's story but an otherwise excellent instalment by Kirsten Beyer. Up there with McCormack, Mack and Bennett for consistently good books.
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Old February 6 2014, 01:33 AM   #96
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"The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself." Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” Bene Gesserit litany from Dune
I'm afraid. All of the time. I know how that sounds, like I'm trying to come up with something catchy to start this little post of mine off with. But it's true. I'm afraid of pain. I'm afraid of being a nobody my whole life. I'm afraid of losing my crappy (although slightly less crappy now) job. I'm afraid of being homeless. I'm afraid of the very few beings I've allowed myself to really become attached to suffering because I've failed them in some way. I could go on. At great length. But I won't. The bottom line is that you can trust me when I say that I know all about fear. I also know about fighting it. Because that's what I do every single moment of every single day. This I feel qualifies me to say with some authority that fear and fighting fear is pretty much the central theme to Kirsten Beyer's latest Voyager novel.

There's Chakotay who is so afraid of failing Janeway and the fleet that he's in danger of letting that fear turn him into a narrow minded results obsessed martinet.

There's Janeway who's afraid of turning into her worst self.

Hugh Cambridge is so afraid of love that he's already foredoomed his relationship with Seven before it starts.

Barclay is afraid of his creation hurting people.

Torres is afraid of not being able to make room both literally and figuratively in her and Tom's lives for their impending new arrival.

Fear after fear after fear.

I loved every minute of it. This is why I read and watch and eat and breathe Star Trek. Don't get me wrong. I love all the future stuff, and the space stuff. But what I love most is getting to see people whom I can relate to struggling and triumphing over fear, and anger, and all sorts of other emotions.

There quite frankly was nothing that I didn't like about this book.

I loved Janeway's introspection. This person finally feels like someone I might actually want to be in the same room with.

I loved seeing Paris and Torres relationship grow. As someone who shares his life with a strong willed and sometimes emotionally volatile person, I see a lot of what I've been through in their relationship. Both the good and the challenging.

I also love the way that the EU specific characters are given as much time and attention as the ones from the TV show.

I am eagerly awaiting the next installment.

Before I go, a couple of questions...

1: Lt. Commander Fife with his "...eyes that seemed to take up altogether too much of his face." Is he meant to be based loosely on Don Knotts?

2: Is there any chance that Commander O'Donnel is distantly related to Captain Janeway?

Anway I could go on. I could talk about how as a Pagan and someone with a belief in the idea of the possibility of continuity of our essence beyond death I found the treatment of O'donnel's relationship with his wife as wonderfully nuanced and respectful. Sure it could just be his imagination, but we are not told what to believe and instead allowed to reach our own conclusions.

So much to love. Truly.
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Old February 6 2014, 08:13 AM   #97
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Good Evening Everybody...

It is, as always, wonderful to hear that so many of you enjoyed at least some, if not all of Protectors. Most of you seem excited to continue the story in a few months, so I'm calling that a win.

Some interesting thoughts have popped up...

I'm wondering at the notion some seem to have that everything my characters go through must be done in the most painful way imaginable. I swear, it's not intentional on my part. I was never one of those children who enjoyed breaking my toys. This particular set was pretty banged up when it was given to me. I just sort of see myself tending to them now with as much care as I can.

I laughed my ass off at the description somewhere back there of someone reading the Janeway sections of the book with a bar of chocolate at the ready. I must really make my readers nervous.

As to the Farkas/Bujold thing...no, that's just you. Or two of you maybe. There is no one individual I can point you two that is a boilerplate for my Farkas....she has become her own person on the page each time I write her and is very much leading me where she wants to go. But there is nothing in the essence of Bujold, particularly as she tried to portray Janeway that resonates with me at all or applies here. At least for me.

And I didn't understand the Nick Locarno reference...everybody knows that Tom Paris was created in the mold of that character by Jeri Taylor, right? I know I read that somewhere they considered just putting Locarno on Voyager but there was some rights reason they couldn't do it.

I hadn't thought of this story until now as having so much to do with fear. Very interesting. And as usual, when you comment, Stoek, I feel like something that should have been conscious and incredibly obvious because clearly it's there, happened entirely by accident.

And no, O'Donnell was never written or intended to be related to Janeway, though I get why you'd ask.

And yes, the Fife/Don Knotts relationship is there, but not for any reason you could imagine. I've wanted for years to pay a little homage to one of my dearest and oldest friends, and that's where Fife started out. And as it happens, that friend was a nephew of the great Don Knotts. They physical resemblance was not that pronounced, but it was definitely there.

But I actually dropped by tonight to share something else with you guys. I started the acknowledgements of this book by thanking my readers and noting that your enthusiasm for these books can be credited with their continuation.

Now, that enthusiasm has given me even more than as sense of personal fulfillment and the satisfaction of knowing that what I'm writing really connects with many of my readers.

Because tonight, my full name just got a little longer.

It's not Kirsten Mother Fucking Beyer anymore.

Going forward, its New York Times Bestselling Author, Kirsten Mother Fucking Beyer.

You guys did this. I still can't believe it. All I really wanted to say tonight was thank you.

So...thank you, one and all.

As you were.

Best,
Kirsten
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Old February 6 2014, 09:09 AM   #98
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Congratulations, Kirsten Beyer! Well deserved.
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Old February 6 2014, 09:12 AM   #99
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Qapla', Kirsten!
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Old February 6 2014, 10:47 AM   #100
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And I didn't understand the Nick Locarno reference...everybody knows that Tom Paris was created in the mold of that character by Jeri Taylor, right? I know I read that somewhere they considered just putting Locarno on Voyager but there was some rights reason they couldn't do it.
Yes I was aware of that but I meant that you injected a reference to a flight accident in the Academy that he tried to cover up into his back history making the linkages more explicit.
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Old February 6 2014, 12:46 PM   #101
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Was already there, part of what Tom tells Harry in the first episode. As Kirsten said, they're the same character for all intents and purposes, but they'd have had to pay royalties to the writer of the Locarno episode every time they used him, so much cheaper/easier to create Tom and give him a very familiar backstory instead...
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Old February 6 2014, 12:48 PM   #102
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I hadn't thought of this story until now as having so much to do with fear. Very interesting. And as usual, when you comment, Stoek, I feel like something that should have been conscious and incredibly obvious because clearly it's there, happened entirely by accident.

And no, O'Donnell was never written or intended to be related to Janeway, though I get why you'd ask.

And yes, the Fife/Don Knotts relationship is there, but not for any reason you could imagine. I've wanted for years to pay a little homage to one of my dearest and oldest friends, and that's where Fife started out. And as it happens, that friend was a nephew of the great Don Knotts. They physical resemblance was not that pronounced, but it was definitely there.
*bows* I think there is a kind of joy in the sort of synergy that results in unintended but clear and palpable themes in story telling. It's almost as if Story is using you as its instrument.

As for O'Donnel I have to admit that I didn't even think of it until this book. I'm not sure what it is about him but I suddenly got to musing at how funny it would be if Shannon O'Donnel had a brother who had a family and that in time one of his descendants ended up in Starfleet as well. And what with the third world war and post atomic horror and all it would be more than likely that the two branches might not really know anything about each other.

As regards Fife, I never in a trillion years would have made the guess based on the name alone, but then that description and it clicked. Plus I'm a bit more Knottsaware than most since I spent years living near and working in Morgantown West Virginia where Knotts was from. He was much beloved and while he was living and his health permitted came back to visit often.


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But I actually dropped by tonight to share something else with you guys. I started the acknowledgements of this book by thanking my readers and noting that your enthusiasm for these books can be credited with their continuation.

Now, that enthusiasm has given me even more than as sense of personal fulfillment and the satisfaction of knowing that what I'm writing really connects with many of my readers.

Because tonight, my full name just got a little longer.

It's not Kirsten Mother Fucking Beyer anymore.

Going forward, its New York Times Bestselling Author, Kirsten Mother Fucking Beyer.

You guys did this. I still can't believe it. All I really wanted to say tonight was thank you.

So...thank you, one and all.

As you were.

Best,
Kirsten
That is most wonderful news. Congratulations. Now that you are done basking get back to work. I needs my Voyager!
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Old February 6 2014, 02:21 PM   #103
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Going forward, its New York Times Bestselling Author, Kirsten Mother Fucking Beyer.
Well happy fu&*ing congratulations! It is so well deserved!
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Old February 6 2014, 07:03 PM   #104
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Congratulations Kirsten. Your latest Voyager novel is a fantastic story!
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Was already there, part of what Tom tells Harry in the first episode. As Kirsten said, they're the same character for all intents and purposes, but they'd have had to pay royalties to the writer of the Locarno episode every time they used him, so much cheaper/easier to create Tom and give him a very familiar backstory instead...
I don't remember that conversation?
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