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Old January 20 2014, 01:45 PM   #61
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels

These days I only like the original film. I used to like Empire but now I see that film as a bridge to the mess that was Jedi.
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Old January 20 2014, 01:49 PM   #62
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels

Luke didn't kill the Gammorean Guards any more than Yoda killed Palpatine's red Royal Guards when he entered the new Emperor's office in the Senate. Luke just knocked the wind out of them so that he could make it successfully into the heart of Jabba's Palace, that's all.
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Old January 20 2014, 02:04 PM   #63
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels

I've seen a youtube video of the Batman Begins training scenes Star Warsized. And recently I've watched the various Musketeer films. And ever since then, I know that a mix of both (tone of BB and story of Musketeers) is what I would have loved to see.

An adult Anakin Skywalker recognizes his potential and wants to join the Jedi order. In the meantime, Palpatine starts intrigue and war against the Jedi. Anakin meets two or three “rogue“ Jedi, one of them Obi Wan, and they fight against Palpatine, the clones and the Sith in the trilogy.

Anakin would need to be incredible wise and warm. Not the spoiled jerk he was throughout the prequels. To make his downfall even more tragic, and even unexpected.
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Old January 20 2014, 02:06 PM   #64
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Luke didn't kill the Gammorean Guards any more than Yoda killed Palpatine's red Royal Guards when he entered the new Emperor's office in the Senate. Luke just knocked the wind out of them so that he could make it successfully into the heart of Jabba's Palace, that's all.
Thanks for that.
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Old January 20 2014, 03:31 PM   #65
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Anakin would need to be incredible wise and warm. Not the spoiled jerk he was throughout the prequels. To make his downfall even more tragic, and even unexpected.
But why would someone who was "incredibly wise" have fallen to the dark side in the first place? People seem to think Anakin should have been some kind of perfect Jedi - but even The Empire Strikes Back, from the holy and unimpeachable Original Trilogy, told us that he had been full of anger! For a rare pre-PT perspective on Anakin's characteristics which doesn't fit the typical rose-colored paradigm, I would suggest reading Shadows of the Empire.

On the issue of "unexpected": it's a prequel! We already know how things turn out, so how can the outcome ever be unexpected? Maybe that kind of thing might have been an option for the famous "numerical order" viewer who had neither watched the OT nor heard about its biggest spoiler through the cultural grapevine, but what about the rest of us?
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Old January 20 2014, 03:36 PM   #66
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels

While I don't agree with some of the ways that Hayden and Lucas portrayed Anakin in Episodes II and III I'm reminded of what a popular Hollywood director once said about the fall of Anakin Skywalker and the fans who are most vociferously opposed to Hayden's version of the character. Paraphrasing:

"People complain left and right about the whiny, spoiled, frustrated, angry emo kid being the one who turns to the Dark Side and becomes the galaxy's greatest villain, but isn't that whom you'd EXPECT to become a villain? The guy who always wanted more, was never satisfied with enough, whined all the time and had severe mommy issues? Those are the bastards who are most easily pushed over the line into darkness. The ones who were never had all that far to fall to begin with."

Not a perfect analysis and there are things to disagree with, but still - interesting points.
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Old January 20 2014, 03:41 PM   #67
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels

Exactly! I would almost think that was something I had posted, but I'm not a popular Hollywood director.

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Somehow, she'd gotten too jaded to listen to her inner feelings and realize that, even though her estimation of what lay in store for the Republic was correct, her way of dealing with it was precisely the wrong way
You think???

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In the Death Star conference room scene in the original film, it was made reasonably clear that the Emperor would rise to power by wrapping himself in the cloak of legitimacy and molding the Republic from within, as opposed to overthrowing it outright. Otherwise, why would there still be a Senate left to dissolve?
Apparently some EU writers didn't quite get that, as they referred to the "downfall" or "overthrow" of the Republic ( in some cases even after the PT ).
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Old January 20 2014, 04:00 PM   #68
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Exactly! I would almost think that was something I had posted, but I'm not a popular Hollywood director.

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Somehow, she'd gotten too jaded to listen to her inner feelings and realize that, even though her estimation of what lay in store for the Republic was correct, her way of dealing with it was precisely the wrong way
You think???
Well, the actual subject, verb, and (unmodified) complement of that sentence are boldfaced here:
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Somehow, she'd gotten too jaded to listen to her inner feelings and realize that, even though her estimation of what lay in store for the Republic was correct, her way of dealing with it was precisely the wrong way, as it only sped up the process of decay.
What you've highlighted is what I said that she failed to realize. So, yeah, in context, I do think so, absolutely.
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Old January 20 2014, 04:14 PM   #69
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You do know what "you think" means, don't you?
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Old January 20 2014, 05:18 PM   #70
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Well, I read it as an accusation that I was being Captain Obvious, but perhaps I was wrong.
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Old January 20 2014, 05:35 PM   #71
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels

No, Captain Obvious is Okona in Season 2 of TNG.

I've never seen a more obvious ripoff of Han Solo in my entire life outside of a Mel Brooks film.
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Old January 20 2014, 06:10 PM   #72
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I'd say murder, blowing people up, framing someone else for the crime, etc. was definitely the wrong way to go about it, yes.
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Old January 20 2014, 06:19 PM   #73
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While I don't agree with some of the ways that Hayden and Lucas portrayed Anakin in Episodes II and III I'm reminded of what a popular Hollywood director once said about the fall of Anakin Skywalker and the fans who are most vociferously opposed to Hayden's version of the character. Paraphrasing:

"People complain left and right about the whiny, spoiled, frustrated, angry emo kid being the one who turns to the Dark Side and becomes the galaxy's greatest villain, but isn't that whom you'd EXPECT to become a villain? The guy who always wanted more, was never satisfied with enough, whined all the time and had severe mommy issues? Those are the bastards who are most easily pushed over the line into darkness. The ones who were never had all that far to fall to begin with."

Not a perfect analysis and there are things to disagree with, but still - interesting points.
Yet it's the silent dudes that suddenly run amok.

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Anakin would need to be incredible wise and warm. Not the spoiled jerk he was throughout the prequels. To make his downfall even more tragic, and even unexpected.
But why would someone who was "incredibly wise" have fallen to the dark side in the first place?
Well that would have been the interesting thing, wouldn't it? I think choosing the dark side of the Force in order to do something for the greater good, thinking you could control it, and then ending up being controlled by it instead, that's the route they should have gone. In the actual prequels, it was just way too obvious and paint by numbers.
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Old January 20 2014, 09:22 PM   #74
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels

Should've, could've, would've. But they didn't. Maybe Anakin would have been a more interesting fallen character had he remained as positive and nice as he was when he was a nine-year-old boy eager to help some stranded visitors with a broken hyperdrive repair their ship and save the Republic, but I doubt it. The drama of Anakin's gradual decline into darkness starting with his separation from his mother is an appealing one, albeit hampered by Hayden's often-mediocre emoting and George's inadequate dramatic direction.
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Old January 20 2014, 10:14 PM   #75
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Tell me one thing, though: What's the deal with Padme?

She finds out that Annie's killed kids and the only thing that proves to be the Deal Breaker is that he wants to oust Palpatine and rule the Galaxy with her ... by his Dark Side. Did she not understand what "killing younglings" meant? Maybe she thought he meant he "killed" - as in downed/drank - a few Yuenglings, instead? No, sweetheart. Let's take it from the top ... 'kay?

The daddy of your "baby," the same one you want to hide away, by the waterfalls of Naboo - despite knowing his killing Sand People and other evil he does - is not above killing first graders. Oh, his orange-contacted eyes might glaze over, as he sheds a single tear and then agonizes about it, later ... but he certainly isn't above it. Now, if that doesn't say "Father of the Year" to the former Queen of the Galaxy, then I don't know what does. "Annie ... how could you?"

"...'Orders,' you know."

The absolute worst about the STAR WARS Prequels is that what's happening in the background ... in the street, or outside someone's window ... is always far more interesting, intriguing and worth investigating than what these movies are about.
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