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Old January 19 2014, 10:19 PM   #16
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels

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There simply isn't enough running time devoted to politics in the PT for it to get to a level where it would fairly be called tedious.
Rubbish; political plotlines are prominent in all three films. Added up, they probably get more screentime than the romance does.
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Old January 19 2014, 10:24 PM   #17
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Considering how cringeworthy the romance was, I wouldn't consider that a bad thing....
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Old January 19 2014, 11:30 PM   #18
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I am haunted by the Hayden romance scenes that should never have been filmed, hoping those scenes will not become a scar.

Oops, too late.
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Old January 19 2014, 11:43 PM   #19
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Yes he needed a script editor for that.
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Old January 19 2014, 11:51 PM   #20
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels

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Many complain about the tediousness of the Politics
Which personally I think is ridiculous.

There simply isn't enough running time devoted to politics in the PT for it to get to a level where it would fairly be called tedious.
How much time was dedicated to political plotlines running through the original trilogy?
Anything more than that is tedious.
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Old January 19 2014, 11:58 PM   #21
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Casting hurt, a lot.

A more credible Anakin (at both ages) would have helped immensely.

If you simply can't believe that Anakin is incredibly talented and capable - that it's possible for him to grow up to be Vader - the movies can't work, even if you have great scripts (and they didn't). It's like casting Pauly Shore as T.E. Lawrence and expecting Lawrence of Arabia to be a good film.
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Old January 20 2014, 12:14 AM   #22
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels

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In my opinion the greatest of all the Expanded Universe books were Shadows of the Empire...
I think Shadows is adequate, but not great, due to the way that whole project worked. The Boba Fett storyline, which if I remember correctly is pretty essential, is shunted off to the comic book tie-in. The novel would have been stronger (and obviously more complete) had it been able to tell the whole story, not just two-thirds of it.
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Old January 20 2014, 01:23 AM   #23
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Casting hurt, a lot.

A more credible Anakin (at both ages) would have helped immensely.

If you simply can't believe that Anakin is incredibly talented and capable - that it's possible for him to grow up to be Vader - the movies can't work, even if you have great scripts (and they didn't). It's like casting Pauly Shore as T.E. Lawrence and expecting Lawrence of Arabia to be a good film.
Anakin was talented but I can't really say he was totality capable, hewas at an impressionable age and it showed since he had two mentors.
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Old January 20 2014, 01:39 AM   #24
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels

A New Hope is the only STAR WARS movie that's any good. Whilst Empire Strikes Back has some interesting moments, it's boring, for the most part. Especially the Yoda sequence(s) and watching Luke and Vader play hide and seek on Bespin. Ever since, it's been one shitty-assed movie after another. Finally, someone else has control over the saga. Let's see if J.J. Abrams can convert his enthusiasm for the subject matter into something worth watching, again.
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Old January 20 2014, 01:42 AM   #25
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There simply isn't enough running time devoted to politics in the PT for it to get to a level where it would fairly be called tedious.
Rubbish; political plotlines are prominent in all three films. Added up, they probably get more screentime than the romance does.
Good thing I wasn't comparing them. You're basically talking about a handful of scenes in an entire trilogy, with TPM having the only such content with a back-and-forth in it and hence a nontrivial running time, together with a couple of stray sound bites of dialogue here and there. That's tedious? No. Cloak of Deception is tedious. The PT doesn't come close.

This is just one of those tired PT criticisms which gets recycled over and over by those who accept it unquestioningly as fact because they agree with the general negative sentiment. But it loosely translates to "I'll bitch if I get any politics at all".
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Old January 20 2014, 01:48 AM   #26
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Re: Question to those most disappointed with the SW prequels

Besides all of that, how does one even TELL the story of the Prequel Era and the downfall of the Old Republic and its institutions without involving politics and its factions? Palpatine aka Sidious manipulates events behind the scenes to get elected Supreme Chancellor of the Republic so that he can trigger a war and use said war and the resulting carnage and deepening distrust of a corrupt system to overthrow it, creating a Sith-ruled Empire governed with an iron fist. Like it or not, that's called politics.

Some fans may not enjoy it, but trade embargoes, Senate machinations and power plays in the halls on Coruscant are part of what creates the galaxy we know in the OT and in the upcoming Sequel Trilogy. Without the political intrigue we don't know how the Empire is born, Palpatine becomes the all-powerful Emperor and the ways of old are silenced or buried. It's not as if The Phantom Menace is some two hour-plus C-SPAN3 coverage of a boring Senate security or commerce committee session.
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Old January 20 2014, 01:53 AM   #27
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Having the political angles itself wasn't the problem with the PT. As cooleddie says, politics is an essential aspect of the story. The first scene aboard the Death Star, the "briefing room" scene, discusses politics, and it's one of my favorite scenes in the OT.
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Old January 20 2014, 01:59 AM   #28
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"Empire Strikes Back" will always be my favorite.

The prequels were okay. I didn't care much for "Attack of the Clones" or the cheesy love story. Except for Padmé's dress at the end. Besides that, I only wet my feet a little in the EU to find out how much machine Darth Vader really was.
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Old January 20 2014, 02:40 AM   #29
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Whilst Empire Strikes Back has some interesting moments, it's boring, for the most part. Especially the Yoda sequence(s) and watching Luke and Vader play hide and seek on Bespin.
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Old January 20 2014, 02:42 AM   #30
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Yeah, that was pretty much the same facial reaction I had when I read that post.
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