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Old January 17 2014, 09:59 AM   #16
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Re: Did Spock undergo Pon Farr prior to Amok Time?

I have pondered this, too, and Pon Far in general. I actually wondered more about Sarek and Amanda...if Vulcans only mate once every 7 years, does this mean poor Amanda wore out her replicator creating a plethora of sex toys?
Or do Vulcans have actual sex lives outside of Pon Far?

Also, Spock was basically landed gentry, so his battle with Kirk over T'Pring seems to me not typical for most Vulcans. What of the "peasant" Vulcans, who had no land to fight over, or those whose brides to be died or married others before their Pon Far? I have wondered if Vulcans had sexual surrogates that they would go to in a time of Pon Far, in such situations. Being Vulcan, and since Pon Far was a taboo subjuect, I am sure there must be some ritual involved where said Pon far-afflicted male Vulcan can discretely go to some Vulcan priestess for sex.

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If we take Spock's age in Amok Time and start subtracting 7 years we get:

36 -7 = 29
29 - 7 = 22
22 - 7 = 15

That means Spock went through Pon Farr at the ages of 36, 29, 22, and 15. That's three times, prior to Amok Time.

I think this is actually the most likely. But then what happens to Spock and T'pring and their less than a marriage and more than a betrothal?
It's possible that while not stated, maybe the reason Leila Kalomi was stuck on Spock, is that she helped Spock out at age 22 or 29, if he had a Pon Far, but it seems in Amok time, that was his first time.

As others have stated, Spock's mixed physiology may have delayed his Pon Far, and he may not get it every 7 years like full blooded Vulcans.
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Old January 17 2014, 10:20 AM   #17
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Re: Did Spock undergo Pon Farr prior to Amok Time?

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I have pondered this, too, and Pon Far in general. I actually wondered more about Sarek and Amanda...if Vulcans only mate once every 7 years, does this mean poor Amanda wore out her replicator creating a plethora of sex toys?
Or do Vulcans have actual sex lives outside of Pon Far?

Also, Spock was basically landed gentry, so his battle with Kirk over T'Pring seems to me not typical for most Vulcans. What of the "peasant" Vulcans, who had no land to fight over, or those whose brides to be died or married others before their Pon Far? I have wondered if Vulcans had sexual surrogates that they would go to in a time of Pon Far, in such situations. Being Vulcan, and since Pon Far was a taboo subjuect, I am sure there must be some ritual involved where said Pon far-afflicted male Vulcan can discretely go to some Vulcan priestess for sex.
First, TOS didn't have replicators back then. I should think that if Amanda had any times when she wanted sex and Sarek wasn't available, she could meditate.

Second, just because Vulcans have to have sex every seven years, that doesn't mean they can't have sex whenever they want, the rest of the time.
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Old January 17 2014, 11:06 AM   #18
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Re: Did Spock undergo Pon Farr prior to Amok Time?

Sarak and Amanda had sex in and out of Pon Farr ... and it was hot!
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Old January 17 2014, 11:10 AM   #19
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Re: Did Spock undergo Pon Farr prior to Amok Time?

You were there spying on them, were you?
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Old January 17 2014, 11:26 AM   #20
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Re: Did Spock undergo Pon Farr prior to Amok Time?

Nopes. But ... you may have noticed that Amanda Grayson happens to look exactly like Winona Ryder. And Winona is not the kind of woman to do without ...
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Old January 17 2014, 11:53 AM   #21
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Re: Did Spock undergo Pon Farr prior to Amok Time?

Amanda Grayson was played by Jane Wyatt.

For me, nuAmanda does not exist, and never did.
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Old January 17 2014, 02:33 PM   #22
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Re: Did Spock undergo Pon Farr prior to Amok Time?

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I have pondered this, too, and Pon Far in general. I actually wondered more about Sarek and Amanda...if Vulcans only mate once every 7 years, does this mean poor Amanda wore out her replicator creating a plethora of sex toys?
Or do Vulcans have actual sex lives outside of Pon Far?

Also, Spock was basically landed gentry, so his battle with Kirk over T'Pring seems to me not typical for most Vulcans. What of the "peasant" Vulcans, who had no land to fight over, or those whose brides to be died or married others before their Pon Far? I have wondered if Vulcans had sexual surrogates that they would go to in a time of Pon Far, in such situations. Being Vulcan, and since Pon Far was a taboo subjuect, I am sure there must be some ritual involved where said Pon far-afflicted male Vulcan can discretely go to some Vulcan priestess for sex.
First, TOS didn't have replicators back then. I should think that if Amanda had any times when she wanted sex and Sarek wasn't available, she could meditate.

Second, just because Vulcans have to have sex every seven years, that doesn't mean they can't have sex whenever they want, the rest of the time.
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Old January 17 2014, 07:21 PM   #23
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Because they were bonded as children, Spock and T'Pring had their ponfarrs at the same time, even after the events of Amok Time.
Assuming the bond between Spock and T'Pring is so deeply and biologically embedded that it cannot be broken, and assuming Stonn and T'Pring are able to establish a bond of their own (a lot of assuming, I know), does that mean T'Pring has two pon farrs every seven years, and Stonn spends most of his free time down at the local Vulcan pub bragging to the other guys about how he gets twice as much as they do?
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Old January 17 2014, 07:27 PM   #24
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Re: Did Spock undergo Pon Farr prior to Amok Time?

It's ridiculous to assume Spock and T'Pring would have remained bonded after the events of "Amok Time."

Sarek was married more than once (3 times if you count STV as actually having happened). I'm pretty sure he didn't have multiple bond-mates at the same time.
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Old January 17 2014, 09:04 PM   #25
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It's ridiculous to assume Spock and T'Pring would have remained bonded after the events of "Amok Time."
It's was a joke. Didn't mean to step on your toes.

Sarek was married more than once (3 times if you count STV as actually having happened). I'm pretty sure he didn't have multiple bond-mates at the same time.
I assume Sarek's ex-wives are all dead. Not the same situation as with Spock and T'Pring.

My own actual, all-joking-aside theory is that the invocation of the challenge and the resulting plaktow battle is what hormonally changes the bonding from an irresistible drive into a take-her-or-leave-her choice for the groom.

Still, given the lack of established "facts" about the Vulcan bonding, it's all just guesswork, just a theory. Same as yours.
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Old January 18 2014, 11:04 AM   #26
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Extreme feminine beauty is always ... disturbing.
Women can never be too fem, for me! It's any that I come across who are butch, or really bossy that I always find ... "disturbing."
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