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Old January 18 2014, 11:56 PM   #31
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Re: star trek vs star wars in five minutes question

^ They're called jokes. Not everything has to be deadly serious, like something as inherently ridiculous as SW vs ST "debates," for example. And despite your continued impression that you're the center of the universe, no one was even debating you at the time.

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It's not like I've ever heard anyone say "I went into prosthetics research after I was inspired by Darth Vader." (We'll know Star Wars came into it when our robots are funny and personable. )
I'm sure plenty did because of Luke's hand (see below). And tons of people went into robotics because they wanted to one day build their own R2-D2 or C3PO.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/in-game/51624640

http://www.buzzfeed.com/donnad/compa...ars-speeder-bi

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/arti...216-Star-Wars-

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/st...n/spheres.html

http://www.cracked.com/article_19115...star-wars.html

http://www.business-standard.com/art...1501083_1.html

I'd say plenty of people in science and technical fields have been inspired by Star Wars, probably as much as Trek.

I also seem to recall a story from my youth about ARPA coming out to speak with George Lucas about the X-Wing, due to their own concurrent development of an "X-Wing" design. Obviously one didn't inspire the other, but it's still a neat story if true.

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Old January 18 2014, 11:56 PM   #32
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Gimme a break. If one can't debate, they retort with cereal references. Wow, so impressive.
OTOH, it's possible to be technically correct and still be a humorless VaRool.
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Old January 18 2014, 11:57 PM   #33
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I'm sure plenty did because of Luke's hand (see below). And tons of people went into robotics because they wanted to one day build their own R2-D2 or C3PO.
That does make sense, fair enough.
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Old January 18 2014, 11:58 PM   #34
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Old January 19 2014, 12:01 AM   #35
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I actually worked in automation. The earliest robotics were industrial trains that sent material to remote locations through magnetic floor sensors, photoelectronics, analyzed the magnetic field strength of wire in the floor, etc. Other systems controlled the loading of pallets. Others welded automobiles.

None of that was the result of Star Wars. It was all prior to Star Wars. In many decades of computer and electronic work, not once did I hear a tech say, "I was inspired from watching Star Wars..." On the other hand Star Trek was almost universally loved and appreciated by those some techs. That also was true of engineering students and teachers I met. Lots of folks in the sciences were inspired by Star Trek.
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Old January 19 2014, 12:05 AM   #36
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So, Star Wars offers nothing then? Not a thing of any lasting intellectual substance?

It's all just vapid fantasy aimed at kids and at adults with lowered expectations? I just wanted to try to figure out where we're going with the "Trek Rulz/Wars Sux" argument that's brewing because as I previously pointed out Trek itself is often very, very scientifically implausible and inaccurate because of the demands of fantastic, dramatic storytelling.

Sure, Trek inspired a generation or two of scientists and engineers, but as Locutus pointed out with his links Star Wars inspired creativity and experimentation as well, fueling the talents and skills of more than a handful of people who watched the Saga. The black-and-white pigeonholing of one franchise as this or that ignores the multilayered texturing and myriad flaws of each.
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Old January 19 2014, 12:15 AM   #37
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I actually worked in automation.
Your streak of being able to appeal to authority on any given topic continues. Mazel Tov.

None of that was the result of Star Wars. It was all prior to Star Wars. In many decades of computer and electronic work, not once did I hear a tech say, "I was inspired from watching Star Wars..."
Hey, Anecdote Skywalker, I provided several examples from a quick Google search of people in various technical fields whose work was inspired by Star Wars. Just because you didn't happen to work alongside any of them doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Old January 19 2014, 12:23 AM   #38
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I like my cereal with blue milk!
Chock full of Vitamin TK-421. Goes down smooth, like silk. Like a proton torpedo through an exhaust port. ™
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Old January 19 2014, 12:32 AM   #39
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The point is that robotics existed before Star Wars films. While a new generation might have seen the films and then desired to enter robotics, they didn't create robotics themselves but entered a field that was established.

Star Wars is harmless fun about dualism. It's not science fiction but fantasy. It's not original material, but using Japanese cinema and 30-40's serial films. There's nothing wrong with making money, but it's not artistic at all.

More to the point of the topic, there isn't any evidence to suggest a superiority of Star Wars military to defeat Star Trek species. The original post is rather absurd, and akin to my Battlestar Galactica guys could beat your Firefly (fill-in-the-blank) guys any day of the week.

The reality is it was a form of entertainment strictly driven to be visually stimulating and mindless fare.

By the way, feel free to expound upon your extensive knowledge on robotics or electronics to support your theory. Meanwhile I will use whatever experiences I actually have had to support my position in debate as well as evidence.
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Old January 19 2014, 12:38 AM   #40
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Drone warfare, HUD technology, computerized prosthetics, robots in the workforce.
Literally none of those things relate to Star Wars. Drone tech dates to early RPV (Remote Piloted Vehicle) projects in the early fifties.

Gimme a break. If one can't debate, they retort with cereal references. Wow, so impressive.
I was just trying to offer some examples to your question, no need to be nasty.

Let's see:

Automatic doors were in place before Star Trek as well. Transportation, tricorders, warp drive, I don't see these are exactly practical in any way yet.

Communicators and translators are probably the best examples. Martin Cooper has said he was inspired by Star Trek in his work on the mobile phone.

I could be all pedantic and say communicators don't exactly function like cell phones and translation works more like Star Wars than Star Trek. There's no point to such arguments though, I love Trek, I know it's been inspiring but I was just trying to find some examples for Star Wars.
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Old January 19 2014, 12:58 AM   #41
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The point is that robotics existed before Star Wars films. While a new generation might have seen the films and then desired to enter robotics, they didn't create robotics themselves but entered a field that was established.
And small communicators existed before Star Trek (the wristwatch radio from Dick Tracy, for instance), yet that doesn't stop people from claiming that Star Trek's communicators influenced the cell phone, nor should it, because it did. Just because something existed in basic form earlier doesn't mean a later work can't offer inspiration as well. Your problem is that you whittle everything down to an all or nothing approach.

Star Wars is harmless fun about dualism. It's not science fiction but fantasy.
It's both, and so is Star Trek, albeit leaning more toward the science fiction end of things than Star Wars does.

It's not original material, but using Japanese cinema and 30-40's serial films. There's nothing wrong with making money, but it's not artistic at all.
And Star Trek is "Wagon Train to the Stars" (according to Roddenberry himself) with a healthy dose of Forbidden Planet thrown in. Are you going to dismiss it completely now too, or realize that everything nowadays is derivative of some earlier work(s) and that there's nothing wrong with that?

I completely disagree that Star Wars is not artistic, but that's entirely subjective. Although I'm sure you've somehow managed to convince yourself it's fact.

More to the point of the topic, there isn't any evidence to suggest a superiority of Star Wars military to defeat Star Trek species. The original post is rather absurd, and akin to my Battlestar Galactica guys could beat your Firefly (fill-in-the-blank) guys any day of the week.
No way. Ya think? Maybe that absurdity is why no one else took it particularly seriously except you?

The reality is it was a form of entertainment strictly driven to be visually stimulating and mindless fare.
Oh, you did think you were spouting facts not opinions. I was right after all.

By the way, feel free to expound upon your extensive knowledge on robotics or electronics to support your theory. Meanwhile I will use whatever experiences I actually have had to support my position in debate as well as evidence.
Why would I have to expound upon anything? I provided actual evidence of people across multiple technical fields, including robotics, who were inspired by Star Wars, and you basically said, "nuh uh, I knew some guys..." Surely a debate pro like yourself must know that anecdotes mean next to nothing, and that appeals to authority aren't far behind.

This never should have even been a debate. It was a silly, lighthearted topic which you came in and turned ultra-serious and hostile, as you've done across the board in your brief time here.
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Old January 19 2014, 01:08 AM   #42
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In regards to Star Wars' artistic merits, it's worth nothing how many writers/directors were inspired by it, such as JJ Abrams, Damon Lindelof, and JMS off the top of my head.
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Old January 19 2014, 01:17 AM   #43
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Derivative or not, trying to pretend that Star Wars has no artistic merit is laughable.

As to the OP, everybody knows they'd all be stomped by the High Guard anyway.
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Just because Star Wars isn't set in our own galaxy and on Earth and doesn't spout a plethora of technobabble every five minutes or so doesn't mean it doesn't hold a lot of artistic value for millions and hasn't triggered a wave of positive and creative inspiration in the minds of many people who grew up with and were influenced by the Saga, whether they saw their very first film in 1977 or towards the end of the last decade.

So what if Star Wars references swordsmanship, martial arts and physical acrobatics that a real life karate or kung fu master wouldn't think are particularly realistic nor rooted in real, established history? Since when is the Sensei at the Kix-A-Lot Dojo next to the Burrito Hut a certified expert on the content and social validity of a sci-fi/fantasy franchise that's been a global cultural phenomenon for close to forty years? And even if he somehow were, why would we care? It'd just be yet another opinion.
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Drone warfare, HUD technology, computerized prosthetics, robots in the workforce.
Literally none of those things relate to Star Wars. Drone tech dates to early RPV (Remote Piloted Vehicle) projects in the early fifties.

Gimme a break. If one can't debate, they retort with cereal references. Wow, so impressive.
You've been given chance to settle in and get used to the environment here, yet you persist in this kind of comment.
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