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Old January 14 2014, 05:14 AM   #16
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Re: The Shadow (1994)

I love The Shadow, warts and all. One of only a few good Russell Mulcahy films.

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I remember when Batman Begins came out thinking how much of the story beats were similar.
Undoubtably due to Bob Kane lifting several elements from The Shadow (and a big slice from Zorro) when creating Batman.
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Old January 14 2014, 05:20 AM   #17
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The Shadow, as well as Billy Zane's Phantom were two very under-appreciated films. And Jonathan Winters is always a pleasure to see in anything.
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Old January 14 2014, 05:27 AM   #18
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I read somewhere that another Shadow film is (was?) in development. I hope it goes forward, along with Doc Savage. The two heroes should meet on the big screen.
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Old January 14 2014, 06:49 AM   #19
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I love The Shadow, warts and all. One of only a few good Russell Mulcahy films.

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I remember when Batman Begins came out thinking how much of the story beats were similar.
Undoubtably due to Bob Kane lifting several elements from The Shadow (and a big slice from Zorro) when creating Batman.
No, I was referring more to the whole "training with a secret society" bit. Which wasn't generally part of Batman's origin until BB. Batman's origins have generally included him training with various martial artists and other specialists over the years, but never have I seen a version where he was part of something like that. Even the whole "hidden monastery" bit was very similar between the two movies.
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Old January 14 2014, 06:55 AM   #20
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Ras al Ghul was Middle Eastern not Tibetan, not Japanese (as is the actor pretending to play Ras al Ghul), not Asian period. It's Arabic for Demon's Head.

It follows that same old hackneyed idea of a Westerner training for a brief period with Asians and in a few months or years absorbing what took them decades to learn.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%27s_al_Ghul

More crazy stereotypes derived in part from James Bond films like You Only Live Twice (1967)
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Old January 14 2014, 07:35 AM   #21
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I read somewhere that another Shadow film is (was?) in development. I hope it goes forward, along with Doc Savage. The two heroes should meet on the big screen.
I'll second the call for Doc Savage.

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I love The Shadow, warts and all. One of only a few good Russell Mulcahy films.

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I remember when Batman Begins came out thinking how much of the story beats were similar.
Undoubtably due to Bob Kane lifting several elements from The Shadow (and a big slice from Zorro) when creating Batman.
No, I was referring more to the whole "training with a secret society" bit. Which wasn't generally part of Batman's origin until BB. Batman's origins have generally included him training with various martial artists and other specialists over the years, but never have I seen a version where he was part of something like that. Even the whole "hidden monastery" bit was very similar between the two movies.
I can see that.
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Old January 14 2014, 09:11 AM   #22
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No, I was referring more to the whole "training with a secret society" bit.
Ah, gotcha. Definitely.

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Old January 14 2014, 01:21 PM   #23
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Wow...!!! What a surprise - I expected everyone to be like,
"What's this? Never heard of this, before," and I was going
to let you all in on this Secret Treasure! Here, you're already
fans of it ... except for Robbiesan, of course.
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Old January 14 2014, 04:09 PM   #24
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I haven't seen this movie in years but I recall enjoying it for the most part. Yes, it has some clunky/cheesy dialogue in some areas and, I feel, could have taken itself a little bit more seriously, but over all I think its better than the Batman movies of the same era (Pre-Batman Begins, that is). I liked Baldwin in the part and liked how they drew from both the Radio Show and Pulp Magazine versions of The Shadow, which co-existed, but were very different.
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Old January 14 2014, 04:11 PM   #25
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I always liked it, even though it does have a bit of an identity crisis, and is unsure of what tone to take.

Love the music score and the song, and Alec Baldwin was a good Shadow.

Besides, any movie with Ian McKellen and Tim Curry can't be all bad.
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Old January 14 2014, 05:15 PM   #26
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One thing that always bothered me was the prosthetic nose. Just can't stop staring at it when it's on screen, lol.
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Old January 14 2014, 05:24 PM   #27
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I liked that the film's protagonist was basically a former supervillain himself.
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Old January 14 2014, 05:55 PM   #28
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I saw this twice in the theaters--and love the soundtrack album, which is often on heavy rotation when I'm writing pulpy adventure scenes.
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Old January 14 2014, 08:35 PM   #29
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I saw it when it came out in the cinema but haven't seen it since. Liked it a lot at the time. The visuals were imaginative as was the way that The Shadow's voice was done. Baldwin made a much better Batman-esque hero than did Michael Keaton, IMHO.

I'm kind of a sucker for pulp era superhero movies - I also have a soft spot for The Phantom and the Rocketeer (even if the latter is based on a more recently-written but 30s-set character).

As Lone Magpie said, it was great to see Tim Curry and a pre-X-Men Ian McKellen onscreen together, but if I had a criticism of the film, it's that they didn't get enough to do.
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Old January 14 2014, 09:13 PM   #30
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Wow...!!! What a surprise - I expected everyone to be like,
"What's this? Never heard of this, before," and I was going
to let you all in on this Secret Treasure! Here, you're already
fans of it ... except for Robbiesan, of course.
If you'd read the links that I included, you'd see that throughout the history of Hollywood Asians have been depicted in dehumanizing ways as well as being relegated to minor roles, and often by using yellowface where white or other actors would portray asians.

Can you imagine an asian donning makeup to play a white or black character? You'd find it absurd, and as it removed those actors from the equation, meant an inability for them to find work and to represent the characters in an authentic manner.

Worse, during the 30s period, the fear of the Yellow Peril was formost in the minds of Western civilization. During that period, characters like Fu Manchu were created to please audiences of the day, and allow them asians as sterotypical dehumanized villians.

Even within this decade, the practice of yellowface and the appearance of those sorts of asian villians persists. The link provides numerous evidence of the practices, much to the intense dislike of asians.

It's not just a retrospective on the 30s and characters, but also some of the worst excesses of American culture. You ignore that, wave it away, because it makes you uncomfortable.

If Asian actors are expected to speak in halting accents even in the 21st Century, then how will there ever be any equality? The things that are inserted within those productions are so abhorrent, and at a time of increasing demographics of asian births in America as well.

You all would be appalled to hear an African-American speak in such a manner, but it's perfectly acceptible for yellowface and/or sterotypical villanous asians to continue to be seen, while simultaneously shaking your head about the bigotry of your grandfather's generation.

The irony is profound.
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