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Old January 14 2014, 12:21 AM   #16
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Re: Inhumans and the Marvel Cinematic Universe (and beyond)

Aren't the Kree responsible for how the Inhumans gained their abilities? Guardians of the Galaxy, an MCU property, will be featuring two Kree, Ronan the Accuser and Korath the Pursuer.

I was wrong on Scarlet Witch being in both X-Men and Avengers 2 but to reiterate my original point, Quicksilver, who will be in both and also ties into the Inhumans in the comics, being hit by the Terrigen Mist and all (and dating Crystal) could be the start of something bigger. A property that can tie Fox and Universal together that wouldn't force them to give up their characters to each other.

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Old January 14 2014, 12:25 AM   #17
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I've always felt that Marvel mutants fit awkwardly with the rest of the Marvel universe and work best as their own self-contained universe. Including them with everyone else confuses the social issues that X-Men wants to discuss and leaves you with just the superhero aspects of them. If the plan is to use Inhumans as a substitute for Mutants, that'll be including the most awkward aspects (a whole subset of people who are "different") without even bothering to include the "it's Wolverine!" cool factor.

Now if the Inhumans can stand on their own merits, that's great, but not as substitutes for Mutants.
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Old January 14 2014, 01:22 AM   #18
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I think the whole expansion of the Inhuman race to litter the Earth with powered beings is to make it easier on the cinematic Marvel universe. Once the term "inhuman" is introduced into a future Marvel movie, it'll become a nice simple shorthand for why this person or that villain has powers without having to show a long, expensive-to-film origin story.

For decades, Marvel comics used "mutant" in this fashion. "Hey, that guy can shoot fireballs out of his nostrils!" "He's a mutant." "Oh, that explains it." And that was all the backstory necessary for why Hero X could do amazing things with his nostrils.

Since the "mutant" word is tied up contractually at Fox, Marvel Movie-verse can now just toss out "inhuman" and a super-powered character is good to go, no origin exposition needed.
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Old January 14 2014, 01:25 AM   #19
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Lockjaw is a dog.

Pretending that he is a person was a Joke they played on the Thing.

Ben thinks that Lockjaw is a stuck up dick who keeps snubbing him, and everyone else is laughing their ass off behind the Thing's massive brickhouse of a back.

From wikipedia...

At one point, Quicksilver and the Thing witnessed what appeared to be Lockjaw, apparently a sentient being once mutated by Terrigen Mists, speaking to them. This convinces Quicksilver not to expose his daughter Luna to the Mists.[10] However, Lockjaw later brought Quicksilver to Washington, D.C., in search of X-Factor, and Quicksilver there stated that Lockjaw's sentience was actually a hoax perpetrated on the Thing by Karnak and Gorgon.[11]
Comicvine says he was an inhuman child that became a dog because of terrigenesis, and the marvel wiki says he gained his abilities through terrigenesis as a child, and it would be kind of weird for an animal to have Inhuman DNA and go through terrigenesis.

Also, from Marvel.com

http://marvel.com/universe/Lockjaw


Lockjaw is a member of the Inhumans royal family, mutated by the Terrigen Mists into his canine form.

So, marvel's official site says he was mutated into the dog form, from a normal inhuman. The link does have "contributors", but it looks like Marvel's character stuff isn't just something any random person can edit. Karnak and Gorgon may have faked him speaking one time, but I'm staying with him being a humanoid as a child (which makes more sense than giving a puppy super powers) based off of it being said on Marvel's site, along with the whole puppy terrigenesis thing making no sense.
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Old January 14 2014, 02:18 AM   #20
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I think the whole expansion of the Inhuman race to litter the Earth with powered beings is to make it easier on the cinematic Marvel universe. Once the term "inhuman" is introduced into a future Marvel movie, it'll become a nice simple shorthand for why this person or that villain has powers without having to show a long, expensive-to-film origin story.
But there hasn't been a character that just "has" powers in the MCU so far. Even AoS has avoided this. The "walks among us" thing is for the X-Men because, really, it would raise such social implications that it would create an intolerance and suspicion of those with powers.

Besides, it's my understanding that the Inhumans are a specific thing and not the thing you're describing.

For decades, Marvel comics used "mutant" in this fashion. "Hey, that guy can shoot fireballs out of his nostrils!" "He's a mutant." "Oh, that explains it." And that was all the backstory necessary for why Hero X could do amazing things with his nostrils.
And that illustrates my problem with having the X-Men as generally part of the rest of the universe. We hear "oh he's a mutant" when someone has superpowers - except the dozens of times we don't. Hulk isn't a mutant. Iron Man isn't a mutant. Thor isn't a mutant. When average citizens see them, they don't shout "mutant" and form a lynch mob. Except when the X-Men are there to save the day and, suddenly, everyone is socially conscious. It never really made sense. It led to a really awkward moment in the DoFP comic where they have to say "oh, and the Sentinels killed Captain America too."

Since the "mutant" word is tied up contractually at Fox, Marvel Movie-verse can now just toss out "inhuman" and a super-powered character is good to go, no origin exposition needed.
To me, that does a disservice to everything around. It does a disservice to the Inhumans as they exist. It does a disservice to the MCU by tying it up with needless X-Men baggage. And it does a disservice to the social message of the X-Men by tying it up with unrelated superheroes. That's true even if all licenses reverted to Marvel.
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Old January 14 2014, 02:56 AM   #21
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Lockjaw is a dog.

Pretending that he is a person was a Joke they played on the Thing.

Ben thinks that Lockjaw is a stuck up dick who keeps snubbing him, and everyone else is laughing their ass off behind the Thing's massive brickhouse of a back.

From wikipedia...

At one point, Quicksilver and the Thing witnessed what appeared to be Lockjaw, apparently a sentient being once mutated by Terrigen Mists, speaking to them. This convinces Quicksilver not to expose his daughter Luna to the Mists.[10] However, Lockjaw later brought Quicksilver to Washington, D.C., in search of X-Factor, and Quicksilver there stated that Lockjaw's sentience was actually a hoax perpetrated on the Thing by Karnak and Gorgon.[11]
Comicvine says he was an inhuman child that became a dog because of terrigenesis, and the marvel wiki says he gained his abilities through terrigenesis as a child, and it would be kind of weird for an animal to have Inhuman DNA and go through terrigenesis.

Also, from Marvel.com

http://marvel.com/universe/Lockjaw


Lockjaw is a member of the Inhumans royal family, mutated by the Terrigen Mists into his canine form.

So, marvel's official site says he was mutated into the dog form, from a normal inhuman. The link does have "contributors", but it looks like Marvel's character stuff isn't just something any random person can edit. Karnak and Gorgon may have faked him speaking one time, but I'm staying with him being a humanoid as a child (which makes more sense than giving a puppy super powers) based off of it being said on Marvel's site, along with the whole puppy terrigenesis thing making no sense.
Then how do you explain this?

http://marvel.wikia.com/Puppy_(Earth-616)

Hmmm?

The page in question...




The official website can suck it. Marvel's official website is not canon and more so seeding conjecture as fact is only going to trick future writers into believing bosh. below is a lengthy fair and balanced argument, taking into account both sides and a lot more additional facts from canon, and really decides in the end that the call is too close to make.

http://zak-site.com/Great-American-N...jaw_talks.html

The Inhumans keep slaves (Alpha Primatives) why wouldn't they want super powered beast of burden to support their infrastructure and economy?
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Old January 14 2014, 03:29 AM   #22
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I think the whole expansion of the Inhuman race to litter the Earth with powered beings is to make it easier on the cinematic Marvel universe. Once the term "inhuman" is introduced into a future Marvel movie, it'll become a nice simple shorthand for why this person or that villain has powers without having to show a long, expensive-to-film origin story.
But there hasn't been a character that just "has" powers in the MCU so far. Even AoS has avoided this. The "walks among us" thing is for the X-Men because, really, it would raise such social implications that it would create an intolerance and suspicion of those with powers.

Besides, it's my understanding that the Inhumans are a specific thing and not the thing you're describing.

For decades, Marvel comics used "mutant" in this fashion. "Hey, that guy can shoot fireballs out of his nostrils!" "He's a mutant." "Oh, that explains it." And that was all the backstory necessary for why Hero X could do amazing things with his nostrils.
And that illustrates my problem with having the X-Men as generally part of the rest of the universe. We hear "oh he's a mutant" when someone has superpowers - except the dozens of times we don't. Hulk isn't a mutant. Iron Man isn't a mutant. Thor isn't a mutant. When average citizens see them, they don't shout "mutant" and form a lynch mob. Except when the X-Men are there to save the day and, suddenly, everyone is socially conscious. It never really made sense. It led to a really awkward moment in the DoFP comic where they have to say "oh, and the Sentinels killed Captain America too."

Since the "mutant" word is tied up contractually at Fox, Marvel Movie-verse can now just toss out "inhuman" and a super-powered character is good to go, no origin exposition needed.
To me, that does a disservice to everything around. It does a disservice to the Inhumans as they exist. It does a disservice to the MCU by tying it up with needless X-Men baggage. And it does a disservice to the social message of the X-Men by tying it up with unrelated superheroes. That's true even if all licenses reverted to Marvel.
I agree that mutant and inhuman origins are lazy and uninteresting but I can see how they would appeal to the budget conscious producers of superhero movies. Slapping either label on a character just diminishes any creativity involved when developing said character.

As for the Inhumans being an exclusive sect of people, that's all changing in the current Marvel comics continuity. The Pandora's Box of Terrigenesis was unleashed via a bomb in the back half of the Infinity event last year. Since then, everyday people across the globe are experiencing Terrigenesis and developing superpowers. Inhumans are now becoming as numerous as mutants in the comic universe.

Personally, I feel it subtracts from the core Inhumans uniqueness and leaves the Marvel universe way too superhuman heavy. It may lead to interesting stories and possibilities but I'm still unconvinced.
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Old January 14 2014, 04:08 AM   #23
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Yeah, that seems to defeat the point somewhat. I suppose it's different than mutants in the sense that it isn't naturally developed, but it still feels a little close. I wonder if it's a permanent thing, though, or just for a specific storyline that will eventually be resolved.
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Old January 14 2014, 08:33 AM   #24
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Resolved in Avengers 3 maybe?
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Old January 14 2014, 08:55 AM   #25
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Being Genetically Inhuman can't make you automatically a citizen of Attilan, since A, there seems to be several not completely politically disconnected Inhuman colonies on Earth, and B, that Attilan was recently fragged. And even if it did give you citizenship, it doesn't give you currency or property, to make an inhuman life plausible. What's happening is the other way around. Now because of Global terrigenesis, those that were raised Inhuman can seemlessly intergrate with the other millions of NuInhumans, while reclaiming the Earth.

Besides, Hickman's Fantastic Four supported Claremont's claim (in an 80s annual.) that the Kree (And Skrulls, but never mind about them.) were genetically at a dead end and had finished evolving... The plan was to create diverse alien mutated stock across the Universe who the Kree could interbreed with... Here's the problem... The Kree are extremely racist and xenophobic, there is no way that any Kree would willing play hide the bone with alien scum with out it being a sick fetish, a joke or a dare. So what's the point in making a life raft, these dumb mother####ers would rather drown beside, than climb aboard to safety in?

Th Kree invented thousands of Inhuman colonies across the universe, but what's the point if they're all, alien men and alien women alike, are unfuckable by Kree standards?

Three possibilities.

1. Hybridization through mass artificial insemination programs to force evolution, similar to how Krypton worked in Man of Steel. Only factory babies are allowed, and all factory babies are laced with enhanced inhuman DNA and dominant traits.

2. Compulsion. Either inhumans are irresistible to the Kree because of how they were engineered, that they are producing hormones or a scent powerful enough to overcome their racism, or there's a suggestibility aura, or the Kree them selves over generations have been modified to prepare to desire inhumans no matter how fucked up they look, which could have even been subliminal programming and drugs in the food supply waiting for trigger for the last 20 thousand years.

3. Massrape. Swagger in, build camps the size of European countries, lots of sex at gun point, and don't leave until you have 10 million super powered babies that look Kree, no matter how many unkree little ####ups you have to throw into a furnace.

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The Supreme Intelligence abandoned all plans to kick start Kree evolution in this manner millenna ago, when he calculated that eventually, quickly that Inhuman Supermen would take over the Kree Space before the Empire could be saved, and in turn, more quickly, razed all the Inhuman projects that they could find the paperwork for before they ever figured out that they were all just a race of sex slaves. 6 Inhuman planets, including Earth fell through the cracks and avoided this ethnic cleanse.
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Old January 14 2014, 01:28 PM   #26
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Resolved in Avengers 3 maybe?
It's a comicbook storyline, not a movie storyline.

BTW, I looked up Kevin Feige's quote:

“Inhumans is cool, they’re really great characters,” he said in a recent interview, getting more animated about this title than almost any other he discussed. “The most powerful guy is the king who doesn’t say a word and if he does — lookout. That’s awesome. And the notion of the Terrigen Mists, this notion that you go through and don’t know what you’re going to be on the other side, is incredibly compelling dramatically.”

“In other words, all the craziness that comes with Inhumans, we’ve done in the other movies already,” Feige says. “But this would have some of the social drama that we haven’t really done yet. [Fox’s] X-Men, obviously, has been touching on that stuff for a while.”
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From this it's clear he wants to preserve what makes the Inhumans distinct from the X-Men and won't just use them as mutant clones. But I could see a storyline where people start getting powers courtesy of the Inhumans and the social upheaval this causes. I don't think it's the same social unrest of mutants who walk among us and have been analogous to a repressed social class.
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Resolved in Avengers 3 maybe?
It's a comicbook storyline, not a movie storyline.
I know, I was saying that might be Avengers 3's plot or side story, in response to an Inhumans movie. I know Tony Stark will be all about registration too.
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Isn't Avengers 3 about Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet?
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So, I'm predicting that in the final 30 seconds of Avengers II, maybe even after the credits... Thanos snaps his fingers, and half the life in the Universe vanishes.
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I doubt that, considering the several movies that will happen between Avengers 2 and 3. My guess is that the last one before Avengers 3 will be GotG 2, and that will happen in that.
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