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Old January 15 2014, 12:57 AM   #46
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Re: Decon blue porn. You know you want it

It's a shame we didn't see Phlox in all his glory.. yeah give me my HBO Star Trek. Male nudity has a long way to go, though it's definitely on the rise *cough*

Eric Northman's full frontal nudity (IN THE SNOW) was the highlight of True Blood for me.. what a finale for the penultimate season. I'll take that kind of thing over Trek's "snicker snicker Risa snicker" stuff. I am holding out for a new, 13 eps of quality a season, Trek series that takes a jump into edgier, snappier current tv and that includes cranking up the sexual content to.. actual content.

OH and the person I really want to decontaminate is Soval
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Old January 15 2014, 12:58 AM   #47
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Well, HopefulRomantic, address the creepy decon situation example above...if you dare.

Gratuitous nudity doesn't benefit Star Trek on standard tv channels. It might increase viewership on film channels or adult themed channels like HBO.

I'd rather discuss the many wonderful examples, or see those fantastic scenes, than any decon moment. But I did think some of the tender intimacy scenes between T'Pol and Trip were welcome additions and tastefully done.
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Old January 15 2014, 01:52 AM   #48
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Prior to 1966, women in acting were merely ornaments in most productions.
Why, may I ask, do you pick 1966 as a turning point?
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Old January 15 2014, 01:58 AM   #49
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1966 is the origin of the period of Star Trek, the original series.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek
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Old January 15 2014, 02:04 AM   #50
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I'm well aware of when the original series debuted.

I asked the question because Star Trek was hardly a turning point for female roles on screen.

Even Nichelle Nichols, who has been known to exaggerate the importance of her role over time, complains that all she did was operate the switchboard and say, "Hailing frequencies open."
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Old January 15 2014, 02:09 AM   #51
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Readers might want to read this article:
http://www.ibiblio.org/jwsnyder/wisdom/trek.html

I think we have to look at the whole history of women on television, as well as people of color, and consider that in the mid sixties the Space Race was on. Astronauts were the elite of American society.

While Nichole Nichols wished for more lines or dramatic opportunities, the reality was Star Trek featured women in prominent roles, sexualized to be sure, but still in a position of high status. To also have a black person within that role as well was unheard of, or at least extremely rare.

Some people are always going to criticize and say that not enough was done. I think that is very unfair.
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Old January 15 2014, 02:31 AM   #52
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Roddenberry went from having a woman in a position of command in the first pilot, to having them be nurses, switchboard operators, and secretaries in the series proper. This wasn't at the behest of the studio or the network, but was his choice, probably because he didn't want to recast the role his mistress (later, second wife) played in that initial pilot.

The article you've linked to makes a number of assumptions based upon the Roddenberry-propagated myth of Star Trek that have been debunked by other sources (some, like Joel Engel's biography of Roddenberry, published before the article was in 1995). It's also a little mean towards Grace Lee Whitney, especially in light of what we now know about her exit from the series (admittedly, unknown in '95).

Really, picking 1966 as a turning point when it comes to women's roles because of Star Trek if you actually "look at the whole history of women on television" doesn't make a whole lot of sense. This is not to say that there was gender equality on television in the '60s (or even today) -- but women were getting better roles than Uhura, Chapel, and Rand on other shows that aired the same year as Star Trek (or before).
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Old January 15 2014, 02:39 AM   #53
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Roddenberry went from having a woman in a position of command in the first pilot, to having them be nurses, switchboard operators, and secretaries in the series proper. This wasn't at the behest of the studio or the network, but was his choice, probably because he didn't want to recast the role his mistress (later, second wife) played in that initial pilot.

The article you've linked to makes a number of assumptions based upon the Roddenberry-propagated myth of Star Trek that have been debunked by other sources (some, like Joel Engel's biography of Roddenberry, published before the article was in 1995). It's also a little mean towards Grace Lee Whitney, especially in light of what we now know about her exit from the series (admittedly, unknown in '95).
Well I don't agree with all his assertions, and he might certainly disagree with my own.

I'm hardly a fan to such a degree that I have read copious books on the subject, or an archivist in any way with Star Trek politics.

I can only speak from personal experience, and from the lens of seeing real change that occured from that period onward. That doesn't mean Star Trek is the catalyst for that change, but it did play a cultural role in altering perceptions.

Roddenberry isn't Star Trek, but played an important role. Culturally it's a collaborative effort by crew, actors, techs, writers, as well as countless fans who kept the spirit of it alive.

We're influenced by art that appears from a study of the humanities, but as any good student of American culture knows (and there are actually classes in that), popular culture has been as important to societal change. Within a classroom setting, discussion about things like Central Park (NYC) by the elite and the wealthy are often contrasted with things like Coney Island. The elite did those things for cultural uplift to the "great unwashed" (newly arriving Southern European immigrants) which resulted in things like gymnasiums. Popular culture resulted in things like nickelodeons and the new entertainment industries (cinema and later television) that this spawned.

Television since it had broad appeal, and was welcomed into the living room of singles and families, ended up being hugely influential and drove not only things like the opposition to the Vietnam War, but also changing gender roles in the workplace, the acceptance of minorities within suburbs (not merely regulated to the urban regions), and even slow acceptance of homosexuals.

These are gradual processes, sometimes infuriating ones because they're as slow as molasses. When you get old like me, then I think you don't know any more, you've just been around and exposed to so many things, and are reflective of that change. You can see progress even if it's at a snail's pace.
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Old January 17 2014, 07:22 AM   #54
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Some days I just go off into my own private fantasy of what Trek would be like on HBO..



I mean, you have ALIENS. With alien parts and alien libidos, really an ultimate new frontier. And all we get of that is snickering, unpleasant Klingon broken bones we are supposed to think is hot?!! and a bunch of fucking angst thanks to Pon Farr and repression out the wazoo.

Phlox was fun. I would like to see a series set on the seedy underbelly on Denobula that Phlox talked about. Denobulan soap opera, with crime, where you need a chart to keep track of all their marriages.

Enough with nebula behaving badly. Give us a people based series.
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Old January 17 2014, 08:27 AM   #55
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Teacake, as far back as Photoshop 3 (1994) there were graphic artists and amateurs making celebrity fakes of the Star Trek cast.

Some actress (not from Star Trek) in Hollywood as a gag would put up her celebrity fake nudes on her friend's computer as screensavers.
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Old January 17 2014, 09:00 AM   #56
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uhh.. yes?
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Old January 17 2014, 09:41 AM   #57
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I'm just pointing out that that form of lurid material has been around forever, something which you've implied you wished to see within Star Trek.

Gosh the same is true of the earliest fanfiction, much of which was homosexual erotica about Kirk and Spock, which invokes giggling and not very erotic at all.

If you want it for a tv show, you're probably going to have to wait for a good time.
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Old January 17 2014, 11:01 AM   #58
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I think Denobula: Underbelly is full of potential. The marriages! The scandals! The drug trafficking! AND best of all it takes place in a future on an alien planet with an alien species and of course guest species who involve themselves in the storyline. I don't plan for it to be "lurid", I plan for it to be adult. Enough of Sopranos and CSI's and all them set on earth with boring earth people, let's have excellent Star Trek worlds.

It will be like the Brown Sector. Only interesting. And not made of cardboard.

Star Trek so rarely showed any seediness.. we saw Rigel that was cool, we saw that planet in The Seventh, we saw Worf in a smoky bar full of drinkers and Klingon opera. Those were all good Cantina style scenes with multiple races. Quark's never seemed too seedy to me what with Odo lurking around everywhere and the Feds breathing down Quark's neck.
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Old January 18 2014, 06:18 AM   #59
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FWIW....gratuitous sex is a classic Sci-Fi staple.
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Old January 18 2014, 06:25 AM   #60
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Forbidden Planet 1956
This scene was a big deal when it was first shown. Though she's wearing a sheer garment and not nude, it gave every teen boy a thrill. It was tastefully done.
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