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Old January 14 2014, 03:54 AM   #46
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Re: Sfdebris lists his picks for worst Star Trek movies and Tv episode

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That's one of my favourite episodes of VOY.
Twisted was a very cool episode.



And it wasn't an inexplicable space-time anomaly, it was an intelligence trying to communicate.
I stand corrected. But I still remember that ep being fairly tedious and lacking in drama--and fizzling out at the end.

"This is it! We're all going to die . . . oh, never mind. It was just a harmless intelligence trying to communicate. At ease, everybody. We're cool."

And wandering from deck to deck, trying to figure out where everything is now, is not exactly gripping television. I can get the same experience at the King of Prussia Mall.
Ooops sorry but I think I was thinking of another episode "Shattered" maybe.
Its that episode I like despite popular opinion.
But 'Twisted' is OK IMO
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Old January 16 2014, 11:24 AM   #47
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Re: Sfdebris lists his picks for worst Star Trek movies and Tv episode

I really like "Twisted", but I'm a sucker for pseudo-scientific weirdness. That's why I usually like Brannon Braga's episodes (although I don't think "Twisted" was one of his).
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Old January 16 2014, 11:36 AM   #48
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I remember squeeing in the middle of "Twisted" something like, "At last! Something original!" And then it turned into just another happy meal.

As Greg said, it just fizzled out. Typical fare, except that the let-down was perhaps a bigger than usual.
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Old January 16 2014, 12:08 PM   #49
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I have such a bad sense of direction that Twisted is basically a documentary of my everyday life. But I still liked it. I can think of a lot of worse episodes of Voyager: Favorite Son, Demon, False Profits, The Q and the Grey....
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Old January 17 2014, 07:23 PM   #50
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Twisted was a very cool episode.



And it wasn't an inexplicable space-time anomaly, it was an intelligence trying to communicate.
I stand corrected. But I still remember that ep being fairly tedious and lacking in drama--and fizzling out at the end.

"This is it! We're all going to die . . . oh, never mind. It was just a harmless intelligence trying to communicate. At ease, everybody. We're cool."

And wandering from deck to deck, trying to figure out where everything is now, is not exactly gripping television. I can get the same experience at the King of Prussia Mall.
Ooops sorry but I think I was thinking of another episode "Shattered" maybe.
Its that episode I like despite popular opinion.
But 'Twisted' is OK IMO
"Shattered" is the one where the ship splits into different time zones, right? Yeah, that was a lot more fun.
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Old January 18 2014, 01:04 AM   #51
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Having finally watched these: he almost sells me on the contention that Nemesis is a worse movie than The Final Frontier.

Almost. But no cigar.
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Old January 18 2014, 01:25 AM   #52
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I think "A Night Sickbay" deserves it, because it made Jonathan Archer look like an insane idiot who was not worthy to command a star ship, which is really damaging a Star Trek TV show.
That starship left Spacedock far earlier in the series.
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Old January 18 2014, 04:41 AM   #53
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Shattered is fun. Twisted, eh. The better the writing is, the easier it is to forgive scientific silliness. Twisted is boring enough that it's hard to ignore the ridiculous that the ship is continuously reshaping itself but somehow doors always lead to other doors. If it was a well written episode that would be okay, but it's not.

Shattered at least gave us entertaining fanservice, and gave Chakotay the action role that makes him seem like a passable character.
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Old January 18 2014, 04:59 AM   #54
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Having finally watched these: he almost sells me on the contention that Nemesis is a worse movie than The Final Frontier.

Almost. But no cigar.
Not even "almost" for me. Nemesis is bad, but TFF still easily holds onto the, um, "crown" for Worst Trek Movie!
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I think "A Night Sickbay" deserves it, because it made Jonathan Archer look like an insane idiot who was not worthy to command a star ship, which is really damaging a Star Trek TV show.
That starship left Spacedock far earlier in the series.
Yeah, like, sometime around... say, "Broken Bow"?

Anyway, as for me: everything on SFDebris' list is certainly bad, but there are other episodes that didn't make it - "The Way to Eden" and "Justice" both come to mind - that I would say are far worse than anything on there except "A Night in Sickbay" and "Code of Honor".
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Old January 18 2014, 05:00 AM   #55
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I'm surprised (and disappointed) that Move Along Home didn't make the top (bottom) six. That episode is just terrible.
I like Move Along Home. It's certainly not a great episode, and if they came up with more interesting obstacles the game would have been more interesting. But it was such a cool idea, and rather harmless.

The worst DS9 episode in my opinion is Sword of Kahless. Profit and Lace is pretty bad too, The Darkness and the Light was crap and Empok Nor is a B version of a B horror film and the only DS9 episode to employ the TOS philosophy of dehumanized redshirt fodder. But Sword of Kahless was the worst in terms of characters behaving absurdly.
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Old January 18 2014, 05:16 AM   #56
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I'm surprised (and disappointed) that Move Along Home didn't make the top (bottom) six. That episode is just terrible.
I like Move Along Home. It's certainly not a great episode, and if they came up with more interesting obstacles the game would have been more interesting. But it was such a cool idea, and rather harmless.

The worst DS9 episode in my opinion is Sword of Kahless. Profit and Lace is pretty bad too, The Darkness and the Light was crap and Empok Nor is a B version of a B horror film and the only DS9 episode to employ the TOS philosophy of dehumanized redshirt fodder. But Sword of Kahless was the worst in terms of characters behaving absurdly.
While I didn't think "Sword of Kahless" was anywhere near as bad as "Profit & Lace" (which is DS9's singular worst episode IMO), I agree about both "The Darkness and the Light" and - especially - "Empok Nor," and especially especially because of what you said about the redshirting. I don't feel the episode, as a whole, is the worst of the series, but it probably made me angrier than any other episode in the series, for this very reason. Those extras were given just a bit of personality, then made to look ridiculously incompetent, then all callously killed off, with nary a mention made of them afterward. It was main character shields at their worst.

This from the same series that gave us another episode where several extras died, but treated it in the exact opposite way, in "The Ship".
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Old January 18 2014, 04:15 PM   #57
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I thought "The Darkness and the Light" was pretty good, a classic Ron Moore story that is a kind of precursor to the ambiguity of Battlestar Galactica.
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Old January 18 2014, 07:07 PM   #58
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Actually now that I think about it there's a worse DS9 ep than SoK.

I forget the name, but the one where Ezri channels Joran to solve a murder.

Besides that it was staged like a poor imitation of Fincher, the investigation made no sense. The very idea that you could jump from smiling pictures to 'The killer is a Vulcan!' is absurd.

Not to mention, if you tapped someone on the station to investigate a murder, wouldn't your first choice be Odo, rather than the girl still so new an individual she can't get her own personality straight?
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Old January 18 2014, 07:22 PM   #59
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The episode is called "Field of Fire."
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Old January 18 2014, 08:37 PM   #60
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Anyway, as for me: everything on SFDebris' list is certainly bad, but there are other episodes that didn't make it - "The Way to Eden" and "Justice" both come to mind - that I would say are far worse than anything on there except "A Night in Sickbay" and "Code of Honor".
Come to think of it, I wouldn't really put "Code of Honor" on a "worst of" list. It's certainly bad, and riddled with cliches and sexism and has one-note aliens who would be borderline offensive even if they hadn't all been arbitarily cast as African -- but for offensive attitudes there are far worse episodes ("The Omega Glory," "Angel One," "Turnabout Intruder"), and there are much better contenders for full-spectrum awfulness ("The Alternative Factor").
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