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Old September 14 2013, 01:39 PM   #1
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Kirk Emotionally Compromised? (spoiler)

In STiD, should Spock have relieved Kirk?

In ST09, Kirk relieved Spock of command after the latter realized that the loss of Vulcan had compromised his objectivity. From a plot perspective, this was crucial to getting Kirk into the captain's chair.


Back to STiD, Kirk is clearly influenced by
demonstrate the loss of his objectivity. Of course, plot dictated otherwise.
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Old September 14 2013, 01:47 PM   #2
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Re: Kirk Emotionally Compromised? (spoiler)

He might have.

But Kirk changed his mind and decided to go against Marcus' orders and instead leads an assault to capture Harrison/Khan, to which Spock agrees.
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Old September 14 2013, 02:22 PM   #3
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Re: Kirk Emotionally Compromised? (spoiler)

Jim started taking the concerns seriously because of Scotty and Keenser handed in their resignations from the ship's company, or so it looks. The shock on his face as he realized that he'd just accepted Scotty's resignation...
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Old September 14 2013, 09:54 PM   #4
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Shhh. The plot justifies the means.
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Old September 14 2013, 09:56 PM   #5
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Re: Kirk Emotionally Compromised? (spoiler)

I'd argue Spock was emotionally compromised too by Pike's death...
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Old September 14 2013, 10:01 PM   #6
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Re: Kirk Emotionally Compromised? (spoiler)

"Emotionally compromised" is rather unspecific.

They both may have been acting on emotion and not rationally, but Kirk never tried to kick the shit out of his XO.
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Old September 14 2013, 10:19 PM   #7
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Re: Kirk Emotionally Compromised? (spoiler)

I figure Marcus knew Kirk was emotionally compromised by Pike's death, and decided that Kirk would be the best lamb to be led to slaughter. Kirk was, in Starfleet circles, the black sheep. So you get this notoriously hot-headed, contentious, young Captain who usually breaks regulation without a second glance, going after the man who killed his mentor, and willing to attack the Klingon homeworld in the process. It all makes for good headlines, disposes of Marcus' tactical benefactor, and it starts the war Marcus wanted in the first place. It's win/win.
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Old September 15 2013, 01:14 AM   #8
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Re: Kirk Emotionally Compromised? (spoiler)

CorporalClegg wrote: View Post
"Emotionally compromised" is rather unspecific.

They both may have been acting on emotion and not rationally, but Kirk never tried to kick the shit out of his XO.
He did look like he wanted to knock Scotty's lights out when the latter wouldn't sign for the torpedoes.
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Old September 15 2013, 01:15 AM   #9
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Re: Kirk Emotionally Compromised? (spoiler)

Hmm. In order to make Kirk "emotionally compromised" next film, I wonder which of Kirk's mentors/family members will be killed?

STXI: George Kirk

STXII: Christopher Pike

STXIII: Samuel Kirk(?)*

*If they kill off Kirk's brother Sam in the next film, I hope he is played by Pine with a fake mustache.*
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Old September 15 2013, 01:56 AM   #10
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Kevman7987 wrote: View Post
Hmm. In order to make Kirk "emotionally compromised" next film, I wonder which of Kirk's mentors/family members will be killed?

STXI: George Kirk

STXII: Christopher Pike

STXIII: Samuel Kirk(?)*

*If they kill off Kirk's brother Sam in the next film, I hope he is played by Pine with a fake mustache.*
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Old September 15 2013, 02:22 AM   #11
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Kevman7987 wrote: View Post
*If they kill off Kirk's brother Sam in the next film, I hope he is played by Pine with a fake mustache.*
Actually, in the comics he looks kind of like Chris Hemsworth as Thor. Well, if Thor were a scraggy bum.
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Old September 15 2013, 06:18 AM   #12
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I figure Marcus knew Kirk was emotionally compromised by Pike's death, and decided that Kirk would be the best lamb to be led to slaughter. Kirk was, in Starfleet circles, the black sheep. So you get this notoriously hot-headed, contentious, young Captain who usually breaks regulation without a second glance, going after the man who killed his mentor, and willing to attack the Klingon homeworld in the process. It all makes for good headlines, disposes of Marcus' tactical benefactor, and it starts the war Marcus wanted in the first place. It's win/win.
This, exactly.
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Old September 15 2013, 07:28 AM   #13
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Re: Kirk Emotionally Compromised? (spoiler)

I'd take Chris Hemsworth in the next movie... Yummy, yummy Thor...
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Old September 15 2013, 09:55 AM   #14
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Or Liam even--who sort of looks like a cross between his brother and Pine.
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Old September 15 2013, 09:11 PM   #15
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He'd work too. Those Hemsworth brother's... yum!
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