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Old December 24 2013, 09:48 AM   #1
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It's the Year of Hell and you're the Doctor...

I just re-watched this, yesterday, and something happened that made me wonder. Here's the scenario: You're the Doctor and you're at the mouth of the Jeffries Tube. The corridor is about to explode into space, but 2 ensigns are trying to get to the tube. In the episode, the Doctor closes the door when he realizes that he can't save them. However, this time it's you and instead of 2 ensigns it's your best friend and YOUR child. What do you do?

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Old December 24 2013, 10:15 AM   #2
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Re: It's the Year of Hell and you're the Doctor...

If it's a choice between them dying and everyone dying, a pretty easy choice to make in my opinion. Easy to make, not easy to live with.
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Old December 24 2013, 10:22 AM   #3
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Re: It's the Year of Hell and you're the Doctor...

Easy? Oh, come on. Do you have children? You'd close the door on them in a heartbeat? lol
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Old December 24 2013, 10:30 AM   #4
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Re: It's the Year of Hell and you're the Doctor...

You didn't ask about my child. You said best friend and child.

Anyway, if I knew for sure they couldn't be saved (sure in a way that rarely happens in real life) then I stand by my answer. What good does it do them if everyone including you dies?
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Old December 24 2013, 10:34 AM   #5
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Re: It's the Year of Hell and you're the Doctor...

What? I changed it to clarify. I have a hard time believing you. Your answer is way too matter-of-fact.
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Old December 24 2013, 10:50 AM   #6
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You don't have to believe me, that's up to you.

...But why ask in the first place if you only want one answer?
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Old December 24 2013, 11:00 AM   #7
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Re: It's the Year of Hell and you're the Doctor...

These are thought experiments. I just want to see what kind of answers I'm going to get. I have another one going on in misc.
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Old December 24 2013, 04:27 PM   #8
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Re: It's the Year of Hell and you're the Doctor...

As I recall the scene, if the Doctor hadn't closed the door the two people in the tube still would have died.

Door open or door closed, both dead.

So it wouldn't be a case of you saving their lives by holding the door, but you could have died with them, and maybe a number of other people in the ship as well.



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Old December 24 2013, 04:30 PM   #9
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Re: It's the Year of Hell and you're the Doctor...

Couldn't the Doctor do a Fantastic Four number and extend his holographic arms, dragging them to safety? He has no body, he can adjust anything he wants and since he also thinks at the speed of the computer he doesn't have to ponder a choice of action wasting minutes...
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Old December 24 2013, 04:47 PM   #10
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Re: It's the Year of Hell and you're the Doctor...

Logically if you don't close the door then not only do those people die anyway (their relationship to you is irrelevant), but a number of others die as well. This doesn't seem like a complicated question.

A more complicated question would involve saving those people -instead of- the others.
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Old December 24 2013, 06:10 PM   #11
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Re: It's the Year of Hell and you're the Doctor...

Of course, there's always the possibility that, as has happened to people in real-life situations of this nature, a sense of involuntary catatonia could envelope the individual concerned and they find themselves wanting to take one course of action or the other, but unable to do either thing. Resulting in everybody, including themselves maybe, becoming toast.

I think truthfully, many people if faced with the OP's above stated situation, would in the heat of the moment make a decision that is illogical and harmful to the greater good... simply because the personal stake for them would be too high. It's very easy to say you'd just let them burn when all we're talking about is a hypothetical on the internet. But in real-life? I think it'd be hard to say what any one of us would actually do.
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Old December 24 2013, 08:07 PM   #12
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Re: It's the Year of Hell and you're the Doctor...

Richard Baker wrote: View Post
Couldn't the Doctor do a Fantastic Four number and extend his holographic arms
How far from the mobile emitter can the Doctor extend himself? His isn't just a hologram composed of light, he is also a forcefield, this is why he can touch and hold things.

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A more complicated question would involve saving those people -instead of- the others.
If you had one adult child in the tube and another immediately behind you, do you uselessly hold the door open for your doomed child, condemning the other to a fiery death?

Or do you slam the door shut, thereby saving the only child you have the power too?


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Old December 25 2013, 07:51 AM   #13
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Re: It's the Year of Hell and you're the Doctor...

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Couldn't the Doctor do a Fantastic Four number and extend his holographic arms, dragging them to safety? He has no body, he can adjust anything he wants and since he also thinks at the speed of the computer he doesn't have to ponder a choice of action wasting minutes...
Nice one. I never thought of that. Is that possible? It's not clear how far he can reach past the mobile emitter.

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Of course, there's always the possibility that, as has happened to people in real-life situations of this nature, a sense of involuntary catatonia could envelope the individual concerned and they find themselves wanting to take one course of action or the other, but unable to do either thing. Resulting in everybody, including themselves maybe, becoming toast.

I think truthfully, many people if faced with the OP's above stated situation, would in the heat of the moment make a decision that is illogical and harmful to the greater good... simply because the personal stake for them would be too high. It's very easy to say you'd just let them burn when all we're talking about is a hypothetical on the internet. But in real-life? I think it'd be hard to say what any one of us would actually do.
Yeah. My answer would be to jump into that hallway and close the door, thereby dying with the 2 ensigns. But that's easy to say without the incredible stress caused by that situation.

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If you had one adult child in the tube and another immediately behind you, do you uselessly hold the door open for your doomed child, condemning the other to a fiery death?

Or do you slam the door shut, thereby saving the only child you have the power too?


I think I would still jump into the tube and close the door. I couldn't live with my actions, if I saved myself, my other child and the rest of the crew. Unless my other child was very young and needed me. Then I'd be stumped, which would probably get everyone killed.
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Old December 25 2013, 08:07 AM   #14
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Re: It's the Year of Hell and you're the Doctor...

Often there has to be a moment where a Star Ship crew accepts "Fuck this, someone is going back in time any second now, and this #### is never going to happen."

The crew of the Equinox must have been thinking that every day for the last 3 years of their cock up of a mission home.

Warp 8 around a sun, until the star's magnetic field propels you into time warp.

Kill both your children, kill as many people as you have to commandeer the bridge, go back in time a week, space your temporal doppleganger, steer the ship left when last time it went right, and then live in a perfect world with both your kids.
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Old December 25 2013, 08:11 AM   #15
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Re: It's the Year of Hell and you're the Doctor...

Heh. It sounds a bit trite to me now, but I was going to write a fic at one point where years after the fact a character I'd invented for an RPG learned about the Guardian of Forever and tried to save the brother whose death he felt responsible for.

If this brief outline sounds like it has several holes in it, a) I was young, and b) I never seriously developed it.
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