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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old January 11 2014, 10:55 AM   #46
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All true! And I also liked how Gillian's attachment to Kirk, especially, grew out of her desperation, at the time. Not sexual desperation, of course ... but the fate of her precious whales was completely out of her hands. She did not have the means or the political power to do anything meaningful about her whales' future. Even when she did lose them, when Bob set them free without her knowledge, like a Thief in the Night, I kind of thought her reaction was underplayed.

But I liked how Hicks seems to be kind of winding herself up, a bit, preparing to slap him hard, right in the face! I don't know ... a little more freaking out might've been in order, but that wasn't the point of the scene, I know. Still, when that happened, her desperation climaxed whereupon she found herself entering a Fairy Tale Land where her fondest wish came true. All of this made me kind of want to know more about this lady, how she could be so naive and strangely innocent, for being a cougar ...
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Old January 11 2014, 03:06 PM   #47
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Gillian was definitely a better move than Eddie Murphy would have been. And I'm saying that as someone who thinks he was at least pretty entertaining in "Trading Places".
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Old January 11 2014, 08:38 PM   #48
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AAll of this made me kind of want to know more about this lady, how she could be so naive and strangely innocent, for being a cougar ...
Did I miss the scene where she dates a much younger man? Kirk's the one hitting on a person nearly two decades younger.
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Old January 11 2014, 09:33 PM   #49
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I kind of wonder how successful the reintroduction of humpback whales would be long-term after the events of TVH. The entire population is going to be descendants of George and Gracie... that doesn't sound like it's going to be a very diverse gene pool.
The novelization mentions that enough humpback DNA samples had been preserved since the 20th century to enable sufficient variety through 23rd century methods such as cloning. It hadn't been a priority until they had live examples species.
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Old January 11 2014, 09:47 PM   #50
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Nerys Myk wrote: View Post
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AAll of this made me kind of want to know more about this lady, how she could be so naive and strangely innocent, for being a cougar ...
Did I miss the scene where she dates a much younger man? Kirk's the one hitting on a person nearly two decades younger.
Nope. I didn't see any such scene, either.

Plus, she dumps Kirk when they get to the 23rd century, so the birthday angle doesn't hold up, either....
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Old January 12 2014, 12:15 AM   #51
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All true! And I also liked how Gillian's attachment to Kirk, especially, grew out of her desperation, at the time. Not sexual desperation, of course ... but the fate of her precious whales was completely out of her hands. She did not have the means or the political power to do anything meaningful about her whales' future
...etc

In fewer words, Kirk is a Hero. With a capital H.

I wish TNG fans would quit talking about that Picard guy as if he was someone in the ST universe.
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Old January 12 2014, 12:33 AM   #52
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AAll of this made me kind of want to know more about this lady, how she could be so naive and strangely innocent, for being a cougar ...
Did I miss the scene where she dates a much younger man? Kirk's the one hitting on a person nearly two decades younger.
Nope. I didn't see any such scene, either.

Plus, she dumps Kirk when they get to the 23rd century, so the birthday angle doesn't hold up, either....
Gillian wasn't dating anyone (unless it was mentioned in the novelization; it's been many years since I read that, so I don't recall), and when she asked to go to the future, she stated, "I've got nobody here!"

Kirk tried to charm her in the pizza restaurant (it didn't work), and at the end of the movie he asked how to reach her, as he didn't even have her "phone number." She said, "I'll find you," gave him a kiss on the cheek, and left.

Yep, Kirk finally found a woman immune to his charms.
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Old January 12 2014, 12:58 AM   #53
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Kirk tried to charm her in the pizza restaurant (it didn't work), and at the end of the movie he asked how to reach her, as he didn't even have her "phone number." She said, "I'll find you," gave him a kiss on the cheek, and left.

Yep, Kirk finally found a woman immune to his charms.
Yeah, maybe the word "dumps" that I used is the wrong one, since they just had the one date, cut extremely short, and never went steady.
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Old January 12 2014, 03:48 AM   #54
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And she quickly found a place for herself in 23rd-century society.
Sadly, her removal from the twentieth century somehow lead to a nuclear war on Earth in the mid-twenty-first century. The DTI really should have done something about that!
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Old January 12 2014, 09:54 AM   #55
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I wish TNG fans would quit talking about that Picard guy as if he was someone in the ST universe.
Get used to it, sir ... but note my current avatar - I like James T. Kirk, too! Especially now that J.J. Abrams and Chris Pine have filtered out all traces of Shatner's hammyness from the character.

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Kirk tried to charm her in the pizza restaurant (it didn't work), and at the end of the movie he asked how to reach her, as he didn't even have her "phone number." She said, "I'll find you," gave him a kiss on the cheek, and left.

Yep, Kirk finally found a woman immune to his charms.
Some of you may have noticed how Gillian would wipe her hands on her shirt, if Kirk touched her, occassionally. Or when the whales first got beemed up, Kirk looks at Gillians boobs, causing her to fold her arms. By this stage in his life, James T. Kirk had lost his sex appeal.

Indeed, he was aged, bloated and wore an embarassing hair hat, constantly. Though Kirk had been "put out to pasture," Gillian observed that the "grazing" hadn't been good. She didn't need this desperate concern for her whales to keep herself emotionally distant from Kirk. He couldn't "pull" women anymore, his "day" was over.
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Old January 13 2014, 12:42 AM   #56
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Did Martia count?
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Old January 13 2014, 12:49 AM   #57
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Only technically! We were never really sure she was female, especially after she mentioned that she only took the form of Iman to "assume a pleasing shape." What's more ... she told Kirk "I like it 'here'," when she assumed his form and started talking with his voice(!), instead of Iman's, which all her other forms used. In any event ... I would not discount Martia, entirely, even though Kirk didn't want any reminders from Bones that they made out!
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Old January 13 2014, 02:41 AM   #58
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Did I miss the scene where she dates a much younger man? Kirk's the one hitting on a person nearly two decades younger.
Nope. I didn't see any such scene, either.

Plus, she dumps Kirk when they get to the 23rd century, so the birthday angle doesn't hold up, either....
Gillian wasn't dating anyone (unless it was mentioned in the novelization; it's been many years since I read that, so I don't recall), and when she asked to go to the future, she stated, "I've got nobody here!"

Kirk tried to charm her in the pizza restaurant (it didn't work), and at the end of the movie he asked how to reach her, as he didn't even have her "phone number." She said, "I'll find you," gave him a kiss on the cheek, and left.

Yep, Kirk finally found a woman immune to his charms.
I dont know if Kirk could "get the girl" if he was really into it (probably, because the Antonia example), but in IV he was clearly a man with a mission. He charmed Gillian, like so many alien women in TOS, in order to gain a tactical advantage. And he got her to spit out the secret whale's pregnancy, the details of the jet transport and the transmitter frequency. At that point he would leave her in the 20th century -- and would have, if she wasnt crazy enough to jump on his neck during transport.

EDIT: also he made her pay for the pizza even as he had money from selling the antique glasses. (and took the pizza with him!)

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Old January 13 2014, 02:43 AM   #59
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^^^Spock was the one who revealed the pregnancy. Gillian merely confirmed it.
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Old January 13 2014, 02:53 AM   #60
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What actually I wonder about that pizza scene is, what was in those beers? Girl takes one sip and start to laugh and tell all her secrets. Kirk doesnt do better: he promptlly confess he is an space and time traveler(!!!)

Aparently cetacean biologists cant handle themselves with alcohol, and saurian brandy and romulan ale arent nearly as strong as 20th century Earth beers.
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