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Old January 8 2014, 12:56 AM   #16
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Re: Why Wasn't Neelix considered a candidate for removal after season

With 2 maybe 3 hundred American dollars in your kitty, you Teacake could probably put all the complex pieces in motion to assassinate the Australian Prime Minister.
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Old January 8 2014, 01:18 AM   #17
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Hey, I like my spin skills. They make me happy.
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Old January 8 2014, 01:32 AM   #18
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if you like PR, then I recomend this... Absolute Power.
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Old January 8 2014, 01:47 AM   #19
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:: makes a little note ::

Though atm I am busy with Buffy.
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Old January 8 2014, 02:06 AM   #20
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Neelix never bothered me at all, I thought he was a decent outsider character if under used and over humanized, but that's par for Trek.
This is a very interesting point and one which has always bothered me about STAR TREK - how Human these aliens are. Yes, I "get" the whole Starship Earth metaphor and whatnot ... but I mean ... in TOS' era, "they" did try, at least, to make the aliens seem "exotic" by having English-speaking actors with thick accents playing the parts - as often as not, at any rate. So ... what is it, then? Lack of time? Political Correctness? Lack of interest? What's their angle, because it's not uncommon for these "aliens" to appear as what they are - just cosplay, basically. And that takes some of the "fun" out of it - at least, for me.
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Old January 8 2014, 02:08 AM   #21
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Don't forget to watch the MOTION comics for season 8.

(They use the static comics as a basis for a rudimentary animation proccess that produces a range of movement similar to South Park. New voice actors unfortunately. I'm not sure if season 9 and 10 have been turned into motion comics as yet.)
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As soon as you make an alien guest of the week really different as far as society, personality, interaction with humans etc.. that becomes the story. Sometimes that's not the story they want to tell, so the differences are cosmetic and maybe a few throw away commentary lines for colour about what they eat or whatever.
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Old January 8 2014, 02:09 AM   #23
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Neelix never bothered me at all, I thought he was a decent outsider character if under used and over humanized, but that's par for Trek.
This is a very interesting point and one which has always bothered me about STAR TREK - how Human these aliens are. Yes, I "get" the whole Starship Earth metaphor and whatnot ... but I mean ... in TOS' era, "they" did try, at least, to make the aliens seem "exotic" by having English-speaking actors with thick accents playing the parts - as often as not, at any rate. So ... what is it, then? Lack of time? Political Correctness? Lack of interest? What's their angle, because it's not uncommon for these "aliens" to appear as what they are - just cosplay, basically. And that takes some of the "fun" out of it - at least, for me.
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Old January 8 2014, 02:11 AM   #24
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Don't forget to watch the MOTION comics for season 8.

(They use the static comics as a basis for a rudimentary animation proccess that produces a range of movement similar to South Park. New voice actors unfortunately. I'm not sure if season 9 and 10 have been turned into motion comics as yet.)
I need marathon time to get up to those! Before all the new stuff starts up again.
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Old January 8 2014, 02:12 AM   #25
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Neelix never bothered me at all, I thought he was a decent outsider character if under used and over humanized, but that's par for Trek.
This is a very interesting point and one which has always bothered me about STAR TREK - how Human these aliens are. Yes, I "get" the whole Starship Earth metaphor and whatnot ... but I mean ... in TOS' era, "they" did try, at least, to make the aliens seem "exotic" by having English-speaking actors with thick accents playing the parts - as often as not, at any rate. So ... what is it, then? Lack of time? Political Correctness? Lack of interest? What's their angle, because it's not uncommon for these "aliens" to appear as what they are - just cosplay, basically. And that takes some of the "fun" out of it - at least, for me.
The universal translators are set to American.
Thank god the australians all died out by then and we were never subjected to a Simpson's style Oz in Space character. It makes me queasy thinking about it.
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As soon as you make an alien guest of the week really different ... that becomes the story. Sometimes that's not the story they want to tell ...
It all comes back to The Human Condition.
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Old January 8 2014, 02:52 AM   #27
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Well if Colonel Green wiped every with the gene for alcoholism, there would be 200 people left in Oz, and 12 people left in Ireland.

When Enterprise started talking about the New Zealand rain forests my jaw dropped.

What the frakk happened to New Zealand??!!

How badly was it bombed in WWIII that someone could plant a rain forest and fence of the rest of the country as a penal colony...

So I googled New Zealand + Rain forest and it turns out that what the locals call "the bush" which and Australian would call a tuft of shrubbery, some PR Spin Doctor from the tourism board has been exaggerating the density and height of our forrests to trick fat cat tourist whales into sinking their life saving into hunting for hobbits.

Greg in his Eugenics War talked about weapons that opened and closed holes in the ozone layer of any conceivable, so that you can destroy countries or or melt individuals with equivalent ease...

A solar weapon like that if left on for months or years, might have hyper stimulated the flora and created a rain forest if the settings were in some sort of unintentionally lucky goldilocks margin.

Rain forests?

Shii-iit.
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Old January 8 2014, 03:06 AM   #28
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It wasn't that it was bombed it was that everyone turned their countries over to a single world government and because this government was soooo wonderful that everyone happily did this when the elected rulers said "you there, island, gtfo we need you as a bucolic penal colony and you other island we need you for a diorama about rainforests" everyone moved to what used to be america and embraced the root beer.
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Old January 8 2014, 03:37 AM   #29
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Everyone in New Zealand was probably given the opportunity to carve up several colony worlds for themselves as an incentive to abandon all that Earthbound real estate.

Our friend Bev came from the colony of New Ireland, it's possible that old Ireland was emptied and sent into space as well... Which explains TNG Up The Long Ladder. The Irish were sent into space with bad maps and not enough gas. A very quiet and tidy ethnic cleanse.
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I see your point but I agree with the decision to remove Kes IF AND ONLY IF someone just *had* to be fired. I never really cared much about her character. Neelix is more unique (I'm not sure I would agree because of his latex though). I definitely would not place him on the level of Spock though!! That role was the Doctor's but then he apparently became an expert and then it was passed more directly to Seven.

This is going to sound a bit naive, but I really wish that they didn't have to let anyone go. I would have preferred if Jeri Ryan was added to the cast and that was it. Maybe they could have lowered Wang and Lien's salaries on the basis of not being central characters, but I really hate that anyone had to be fired.
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