RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 139,609
Posts: 5,405,050
Members: 24,869
Currently online: 619
Newest member: Engelbert

TrekToday headlines

Star Trek: Gold Key Archives Vol. 2 Comic
By: T'Bonz on Oct 1

Cumberbatch In War Of Roses Miniseries
By: T'Bonz on Oct 1

Trek 3 Filming Location Revealed
By: T'Bonz on Oct 1

October-November 2014 Trek Conventions And Appearances
By: T'Bonz on Sep 30

Cho Selfie TV Alert
By: T'Bonz on Sep 30

TPTB To Shatner: Shhh!
By: T'Bonz on Sep 30

Mystery Mini Vinyl Figure Display Box
By: T'Bonz on Sep 29

The Red Shirt Diaries Episode Five
By: T'Bonz on Sep 29

Shatner In Trek 3? Well Maybe
By: T'Bonz on Sep 28

Retro Review: Shadows and Symbols
By: Michelle on Sep 27


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek TV Series > Voyager

Voyager There's coffee in this forum!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old January 22 2014, 12:20 PM   #151
teacock
Admiral
 
teacock's Avatar
 
Location: teacake
Re: Why Wasn't Neelix considered a candidate for removal after season

Well since Tom was originally presented as a playboy badboy it makes sense that he would settle down with a woman whose expiration is built in. This way he doesn't have to be a jerk and take off after a few years when he's bored, nature is guaranteed to do it for him.
__________________

"Damnit Spock. God damnit!" Kirk ST:V
■ ■ ■
Janeway does Melbourne
teacock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 22 2014, 12:22 PM   #152
2takesfrakes
Commodore
 
2takesfrakes's Avatar
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Re: Why Wasn't Neelix considered a candidate for removal after season

................................ANYWAY!!!
2takesfrakes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 22 2014, 12:29 PM   #153
teacock
Admiral
 
teacock's Avatar
 
Location: teacake
Re: Why Wasn't Neelix considered a candidate for removal after season

No one would ever get divorced because by the time you were irritated by your Ocampan spouse they would be dead!

I'm thinking this is a great mail order spouse opportunity. The Ocampan get to leave their awful fishbowl and see the galaxy and the person who ordered an Ocampan gets a lovely, wide eyed, fresh young thing that they only have to tend to during a few months of decrepitude. If you're smart you will have started the paperwork for your next Ocampan as soon as the current one begins to decline.
__________________

"Damnit Spock. God damnit!" Kirk ST:V
■ ■ ■
Janeway does Melbourne
teacock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 22 2014, 03:03 PM   #154
Bad Thoughts
Fleet Captain
 
Location: Containment Area for Relocated Yankees
Re: Why Wasn't Neelix considered a candidate for removal after season

Kes + Seven of Nine could have been a dangerous combination. Too bad it never happened.
Bad Thoughts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 22 2014, 04:25 PM   #155
2takesfrakes
Commodore
 
2takesfrakes's Avatar
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Re: Why Wasn't Neelix considered a candidate for removal after season

... Agreed!!!

It would've been the best of BOTH worlds for every VOY FanBoy: Kes would've been the sweet, beautiful angel and Seven, the sex kitten with the giant funbags! They would've been, as you say, "a dangerous combination," certainly for every available man, onboard.

Getting rid of girls on Voyager was a really bad idea. I can't believe it ever made it past the discussion phase, during production meetings, much less going ahead and doing it. Getting rid of Kes, can't help you ... KES!!! What the hell kind of logic was that? Just another signal that, yeah, maybe it was time for Rick Berman to hand the reins over to someone else. Someone far younger and less potty in the head ...
2takesfrakes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 22 2014, 04:28 PM   #156
2takesfrakes
Commodore
 
2takesfrakes's Avatar
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Re: Why Wasn't Neelix considered a candidate for removal after season

teacake wrote: View Post
I'm thinking this is a great mail order spouse opportunity.
No.
2takesfrakes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 23 2014, 01:56 AM   #157
USS Triumphant
Rear Admiral
 
USS Triumphant's Avatar
 
Location: Go ahead, caller. I'm listening...
Re: Why Wasn't Neelix considered a candidate for removal after season

2takesfrakes wrote: View Post
teacake wrote: View Post
I'm thinking this is a great mail order spouse opportunity.
No.
Oh, yes!
__________________
As the brilliant philosopher once said... Everybody, have fun tonight. Everybody, Wang Chung tonight.
USS Triumphant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 23 2014, 02:47 AM   #158
2takesfrakes
Commodore
 
2takesfrakes's Avatar
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Re: Why Wasn't Neelix considered a candidate for removal after season

2takesfrakes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 23 2014, 06:30 AM   #159
exodus
Fleet Admiral
 
Location: The Digital Garden
Re: Why Wasn't Neelix considered a candidate for removal after season

I think keeping Kes would have ruined the dynamic that was created between Seven & Niomi.
It would have been too odd IMO to pair Seven with Kes. They were too polar opposite and it would have been too weird a situation to have Seven's childhood friend like Kes grow older than her and die. What kinda jacked up conclusion would that be?

I think Kes was the right choice in the end to let go.
You saw how easy it was to cut what few ties she had and how easy most of the casual viewing audience forgot her.
By 4 eps into the 4th season you didn't even know she had ever been there.

As far as Harry, I'd like to think that he inspires other Asians as a role model.
No Harry wasn't a best character but he was a good guy that wasn't a stereotype.
__________________
A Tiger doesn't loose sleep over the opinion of sheep.

Last edited by exodus; January 23 2014 at 07:03 AM.
exodus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 23 2014, 07:39 AM   #160
teacock
Admiral
 
teacock's Avatar
 
Location: teacake
Re: Why Wasn't Neelix considered a candidate for removal after season

Harry was funny with Tom, the buddy relationship worked.
__________________

"Damnit Spock. God damnit!" Kirk ST:V
■ ■ ■
Janeway does Melbourne
teacock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 23 2014, 07:59 AM   #161
Guy Gardener
Fleet Admiral
 
Guy Gardener's Avatar
 
Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.
Re: Why Wasn't Neelix considered a candidate for removal after season

(This is going to get me into trouble.)

(Talking about characters.)

Was Harry more or less inspirational as an Asian then Hoshi since in the future there is no human on human racism, and neither overcame any adversity to get where they got?

(Talking about real people.)

Was Garrett Wang more or less inspirational as an Asian than Linda Park since they were both answering a casting call specifically asking for Asian actors to fill the role of an Asian Character?

(Please note the trouble How I met Your Mother got into from dressing up white people as Asians 2 weeks ago.)

Meh?

...

Guessing without actually saying I am right and others are wrong, I believe that some one who is inspirational should have accomplished something until then believed improbable... Just as the minority cast of TOS in the 60s did, or Avery finding the lead in DS9, which equally taps Mulgrew for taking her show through 7 seasons too unlike the next white guy and the first white guy who just didn't have what it took, even though casting a woman and casting a black fellah in the lead was a stunt put in play by a couple old rich white guys.

Special note...

I didn't notice Bashir was (the other sort of) Asian (really? Alexander seems to be Arabic? Oh bother.) until his parents showed up who were both played by actors seemingly of Indianesque (The partition in 1947 makes it all very complicated) decent.

(Google, google, google.)

He is described in the DS9 Bible as “naive”, “charming” and “cocky” all at the same time. His ret-conned genetic augmentation (which actor Alexander Siddig thoroughly opposed and did his best to sabotage) gives Bashir the ability to perform complex mathematical calculations in his head, and also enhances his physical athleticism. Interestingly, Bashir’s character was originally named Dr. Julian Amoros and was intended to be Hispanic, however Rick Berman was so enthused about casting actor Alexander Siddig (after Berman decided Siddig was too young to play Benjamin Sisko) that the character was re-written to match Alexander Siddig’s ethnicity and no other actors were auditioned for the part.
The Arab docblocks the Hispanic.

Odd, but interesting.
__________________
"Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft."

Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz
Guy Gardener is online now   Reply With Quote
Old January 23 2014, 11:35 AM   #162
teacock
Admiral
 
teacock's Avatar
 
Location: teacake
Re: Why Wasn't Neelix considered a candidate for removal after season

Australian tv is all white. Any time there is a non white character the entire point of that character is that they are not white. So in comparison to this everything else, including Star Trek, looks great. I have no idea if Park and Wang were inspirational for asian viewers but they were certainly long due for Star Trek. Main characters, not just the nurse you got to see once a season.

The real fail was Chak's made up tribe of space indians, and I use that word deliberately, that is embarrassingly bad.
__________________

"Damnit Spock. God damnit!" Kirk ST:V
■ ■ ■
Janeway does Melbourne
teacock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 23 2014, 02:14 PM   #163
Bad Thoughts
Fleet Captain
 
Location: Containment Area for Relocated Yankees
Re: Why Wasn't Neelix considered a candidate for removal after season

teacake wrote: View Post
Harry was funny with Tom, the buddy relationship worked.
Star Trek's women deserved a buddy relationship as well. Now it might never happen.
Bad Thoughts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 23 2014, 02:31 PM   #164
teacock
Admiral
 
teacock's Avatar
 
Location: teacake
Re: Why Wasn't Neelix considered a candidate for removal after season

Jadzia and Kira were buddies. Sort of?
__________________

"Damnit Spock. God damnit!" Kirk ST:V
■ ■ ■
Janeway does Melbourne
teacock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 23 2014, 02:40 PM   #165
Bad Thoughts
Fleet Captain
 
Location: Containment Area for Relocated Yankees
Re: Why Wasn't Neelix considered a candidate for removal after season

teacake wrote: View Post
Jadzia and Kira were buddies. Sort of?
Theoretically, yes. We see them chatting about dating and are caught out of uniform by Worf in WOTW. However there are few extended moments of commeraderi. The best I can remember is Guinean helping out Crusher after her symposium went south. We never get to see ST women together playing on the holodeck the way men do.

(Btw, I realize Bechdel is an imperfect measure of the development of women's characters, but I feel it is useful in elucidating what's missing. )

Last edited by Bad Thoughts; January 23 2014 at 02:51 PM.
Bad Thoughts is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:41 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.