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Old June 7 2014, 05:57 PM   #361
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Maybe they'll do an episode explaining why the Doctor looks so much like Cardinal Richelieu...
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Old June 7 2014, 07:06 PM   #362
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I don't think the reason season six was a weak season was because there were not a lot of classic monsters/companions/Doctors (apart from "Closing Time", the semi-Nimon from God Complex and the Dalek cameo). It was more the River Song/Silence arc and it's execution IMO. The stronger episodes were the stand alones such as "God Complex" and "The Girl Who Waited" as well (Ok they were a few flops such as the pirates one as well)

Personally I also prefer the show develop some newer, original villains as well. Sure, they can't all be Weeping Angels (and even those guys are getting a bit old and overused) but there's been some good ones here and there. Nostalgia's often good and all but there are not just fans from the classic show watching.



Besides, there have been a few pics and rumors that
He could be her new boyfriend without her realizing it. Then the Doctor has to take care of business
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Old June 8 2014, 11:43 PM   #363
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Because it saves time and money if you can shoot two episodes simultaneously, one focusing on the Doctor and the other with very little of the Doctor. Space: 1999 also did this frequently in its second season, alternating between episodes that focused on Martin Landau and had very little of Barbara Bain and episodes that focused on Bain with very little of Landau, so that they could shoot two episodes at a time and avoid falling behind schedule. And that was for most of the season, not just one pair of episodes.
Might have also helped things given the state of their marriage at the time.
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Old June 9 2014, 03:38 AM   #364
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^If their marriage was on the rocks, they did a good job hiding it for the cameras. They seemed to have pretty good chemistry when they were on screen together.
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Old June 9 2014, 11:19 AM   #365
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The thing is the vast majority of doctor-lite episodes have been absolutely terrible, even Blink to me was just average at best. Plus the set photos remind me a bit of Fear Her, plus that seems like the sort of stuff Moffat pulls off nowadays.
I liked both Turn Left and Blink. Both are generally praised (especially Blink). Only Love and Monsters has generally been panned. Even then, imo, the absence of the Doctor wasn't really the flaw. It actually opened up the opportunity to explore how the Doctor affected others (Rose's mom made effective use of her time, for example).

That being said, The Girl Who Waited seemed to be sort of a Doctor-lite episode. I think they just did a better job at hiding it. Obviously, Closing Time was a Companion-lite episode. I think that's probably the better way of doing it (don't make it too obvious). But I think, if you want a full run of 12 or 13 episodes, it's almost an inevitability. The plan since then has involved fairly short series lengths, which has been far more controversial than the Doctor-Lite episode.
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Old June 9 2014, 02:21 PM   #366
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There's also "Midnight" which was companion-lite and also often considered a fan favorite.
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Old June 9 2014, 03:57 PM   #367
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I've never really gotten how the US can have shows with 22+ episodes and not have "main character-lite" episodes, while the UK can barely handle 12-13, and only if they get tricky with it. Is it a budget thing? I get that by now having a 12-13 episode season might be the norm for British TV, but you'd think if US shows can get 20+ episodes done in a season easily that it should be relatively simple to get 13 episodes with the whole cast of Doctor Who without having to resort to doctor-lite episodes.

Is it some weird union thing about how long a british actor is allowed to work/a tv show is allowed to get filmed? Is it the lack of regular sets, unlike most American Sci Fi that reused a lot of them which probably ends up being cheaper? Really its not so much the short season that I find confusing than it is the fact that I can't get why TV production seems that much more difficult for British TV shows than it does for so many US TV shows. Its just a bit hard to understand why a show that has about half the number of episodes that US shows have still manages to struggle to get them all done with all of the main cast. The number of episodes could just be UK TV policy at this point, but when you have 52 weeks in a year, 13 full episodes with the main character of the show doesn't sound that unreasonable, especially when the US frequently does 22-26 for similar 1-hour genre shows .

If they do have a Doctor-Lite, I hope they can beat the trend and do a good one. It would be nice for Capaldi to have a great first series, and not have it be bogged down by having the next Love & Monsters or Turn Left.
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Old June 9 2014, 04:13 PM   #368
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I've never really gotten how the US can have shows with 22+ episodes and not have "main character-lite" episodes, while the UK can barely handle 12-13, and only if they get tricky with it. Is it a budget thing? I get that by now having a 12-13 episode season might be the norm for British TV, but you'd think if US shows can get 20+ episodes done in a season easily that it should be relatively simple to get 13 episodes with the whole cast of Doctor Who without having to resort to doctor-lite episodes.

Is it some weird union thing about how long a british actor is allowed to work/a tv show is allowed to get filmed? Is it the lack of regular sets, unlike most American Sci Fi that reused a lot of them which probably ends up being cheaper? Really its not so much the short season that I find confusing than it is the fact that I can't get why TV production seems that much more difficult for British TV shows than it does for so many US TV shows. Its just a bit hard to understand why a show that has about half the number of episodes that US shows have still manages to struggle to get them all done with all of the main cast. The number of episodes could just be UK TV policy at this point, but when you have 52 weeks in a year, 13 full episodes with the main character of the show doesn't sound that unreasonable, especially when the US frequently does 22-26 for similar 1-hour genre shows .

If they do have a Doctor-Lite, I hope they can beat the trend and do a good one. It would be nice for Capaldi to have a great first series, and not have it be bogged down by having the next Love & Monsters or Turn Left.
First and Foremost Budget. American TV Show actors are paid much more, and therefore are expected to work 16 hour days on a regular Basis. UK Shows, typically just work an 8 - 10 hour day.

Second, Again Budget related, US Shows have a higher Budget, and therefore can double up resources (IE: They can afford to have 4 people working Post Production, where the UK will only have 2)

26 Episodes has been unheard of since Enterprise's Third Season, and that was only a rarity of Star Trek shows, since the 1970s. Typical Network TV Shows are 20 - 24 episodes, (26 episodes a year hasn't been a thing since the 1970s) but, there's a lot of shows that are 10 - 16 Episodes.

British Shows get it all in the can before even nailing down a Schedule. US SHows, often only have as many as 7 or 8 episodes ready to go when they begin airing, and have a Hiatus after airing half of the Season (for shows with more than 13 Episodes a year) from as early as Thanksgiving through to sometimes as late as February or March

So, yea, it almost all comes down to Budget, but, that affects things in numerous ways
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Old June 9 2014, 04:35 PM   #369
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Also, I know we've seen it elsewhere in Capaldi's hands but I'm glad the Doctor has not (yet?) sprung for a new sonic. Not EVERY incarnation has had a distinctive incarnation of the thing.
Some changes have been made to it. A video a few months back of filming Capaldi using the screwdriver revealed it no longer has the spring-out claws.
These most recent pics show Clara using it completely intact... It isn't exclusively used with the claws out, either. Smith has used it in both modes with no real reasoning for popping the claws out or not, though obviously he does deploy it more often than not. Ditto with the Tennant / Eccleston model, it glows brightly no matter how excited it is.

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Old June 9 2014, 06:42 PM   #370
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I've never really gotten how the US can have shows with 22+ episodes and not have "main character-lite" episodes, while the UK can barely handle 12-13, and only if they get tricky with it. Is it a budget thing? I get that by now having a 12-13 episode season might be the norm for British TV, but you'd think if US shows can get 20+ episodes done in a season easily that it should be relatively simple to get 13 episodes with the whole cast of Doctor Who without having to resort to doctor-lite episodes.

Is it some weird union thing about how long a british actor is allowed to work/a tv show is allowed to get filmed? Is it the lack of regular sets, unlike most American Sci Fi that reused a lot of them which probably ends up being cheaper? Really its not so much the short season that I find confusing than it is the fact that I can't get why TV production seems that much more difficult for British TV shows than it does for so many US TV shows. Its just a bit hard to understand why a show that has about half the number of episodes that US shows have still manages to struggle to get them all done with all of the main cast. The number of episodes could just be UK TV policy at this point, but when you have 52 weeks in a year, 13 full episodes with the main character of the show doesn't sound that unreasonable, especially when the US frequently does 22-26 for similar 1-hour genre shows .

If they do have a Doctor-Lite, I hope they can beat the trend and do a good one. It would be nice for Capaldi to have a great first series, and not have it be bogged down by having the next Love & Monsters or Turn Left.
First and Foremost Budget. American TV Show actors are paid much more, and therefore are expected to work 16 hour days on a regular Basis. UK Shows, typically just work an 8 - 10 hour day.

Second, Again Budget related, US Shows have a higher Budget, and therefore can double up resources (IE: They can afford to have 4 people working Post Production, where the UK will only have 2)

26 Episodes has been unheard of since Enterprise's Third Season, and that was only a rarity of Star Trek shows, since the 1970s. Typical Network TV Shows are 20 - 24 episodes, (26 episodes a year hasn't been a thing since the 1970s) but, there's a lot of shows that are 10 - 16 Episodes.

British Shows get it all in the can before even nailing down a Schedule. US SHows, often only have as many as 7 or 8 episodes ready to go when they begin airing, and have a Hiatus after airing half of the Season (for shows with more than 13 Episodes a year) from as early as Thanksgiving through to sometimes as late as February or March

So, yea, it almost all comes down to Budget, but, that affects things in numerous ways
When did we start that "hiatus" thing with American TV shows? The first one I remember was ST:TNG, but I imagine it wasn't the actual first.

The obvious bonus is that you can have 2 cliffhangers per year.

I think Doctor Who is somewhat unique in that it only really has 2 or 3 main characters, which I think would make it harder to do a "lite" episode.
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Old June 9 2014, 07:23 PM   #371
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Another factor may be that British actors do a lot of stage acting as well as screen acting; they don't specialize in one medium to the extent that US actors do. So they wouldn't be able to devote all of their working time to producing a 22- or 26-episode TV series, because they'd have stage commitments for part of the year.
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I don't know, it seems like filming 12 episodes of Doctor Who takes 6-8 months. I think besides working less hours, they may be a little inefficient filming in blocks, though you'd think it would be more efficient.
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When did we start that "hiatus" thing with American TV shows? The first one I remember was ST:TNG, but I imagine it wasn't the actual first.

The obvious bonus is that you can have 2 cliffhangers per year.

I think Doctor Who is somewhat unique in that it only really has 2 or 3 main characters, which I think would make it harder to do a "lite" episode.
As far as I recall, SciFi/Syfy has always split it's Original programming into Approximately 10 episode half Seasons (If the season is over 13).

I think LOST, is probably where the hiatus became common/mainstream. LOST is the show that encouraged Arcs into the mainstream Programming (though certainly there were many arc'ed shows prior to LOST). Before LOST came along, rather then a Hiatus, what you had was typically reruns after the November Sweeps period, through the Holiday Season (And this was no big deal, because for the most part, it didn't matter if you saw episodes out of order). Due to the Arc nature of LOST, this caused many complaints, because it was too hard for the Average Joe to keep track of the arc and new and repeat episodes (6 or 8 new episodes, then 4 repeated, then a couple of new episodes, then a couple repeats...) so, they worked towards incorporting Hiatuses instead of Reruns (Or rerunning the entire season so far), so, Average Joes could know if there was an episode on, it was new (Or you'd see the entire season so far, before new episodes started back up again)

Also good points Ar-Pharazon about only 2 - 3 main cast members and Christopher regarding Stage acting as well.
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^If their marriage was on the rocks, they did a good job hiding it for the cameras. They seemed to have pretty good chemistry when they were on screen together.
I'm impressed that you could glean any sense of expression from Barbara Bain.
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^If their marriage was on the rocks, they did a good job hiding it for the cameras. They seemed to have pretty good chemistry when they were on screen together.
I'm impressed that you could glean any sense of expression from Barbara Bain.
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