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Old January 12 2014, 06:03 PM   #16
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Re: Question about starships in Typhon Pact/Fall novels (spoiler)

The Breen prototype's frame had to be gutted and completely rebuilt because it wasn't streamlined enough. The leading designer suspected the Breen were chosen to construct such a ship because their designs were the most unsuitable. Their failure would've damaged their position in the Pact and given the then-hawkish Gorn and Romulans a better position. The prototype had to be streamlined to make QSD work. (Zero Sum Game)

The Vesta- and Merian-classes could've been constructed while Voyager was still in the DQ. Because of the resumed communication in later VOY seasons, it is conceivable they sent the specs for QSD to Starfleet. Starfleet may have been working on the technology before and now received the means to realize it. Coaxial warp drive was innovative as well when encountered by Voyager but Federation scientists were already aware of the option. The theories of advanced engines may exist already.

Or, Starfleet simply scrambled to put these ships on the drawing board and into producation ASAP. Remember, it took post-war Earth less than five years from the Phoenix to launch the S.S. Conestoga. (Federation: The First 150 Years)
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Old January 12 2014, 07:08 PM   #17
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Markonian, was the Breen's prototype destroyed in ZSG? Or just damaged but able to be repaired? I don't know where the slipstream tech level is among the Typhon Pact entities.

That's a good point that Starfleet was probably already working on slipstream before Voyager returned home. It would seem to be the most likely explanation, given that Voyager was only in regular communication with Starfleet scant months before "Endgame". IIRC, the Meerian-class was introduced in 2377, the same year Voyager returned from the DQ, so I am inclined to think that this (and the Vesta) was already on the drawing boards prior to any slipstream information from Voyager.

Do we know if Starfleet's done anything with the coaxial warp drive tech?
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Old January 12 2014, 07:26 PM   #18
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Another wrinkle to this (albeit a very minor one, admittedly) is how the Federation's development of quantum slipstream drive affected their relationship with the Silgov free remnant (Small World). The proposed partnership (or the seeds of a diplomatic relationship) involved the Silgov's advanced propulsion systems being brought to the table. With the advent of slipstream, they might feel as though they have nothing to offer.

Unless data from the Silgov in fact aided Starfleet in perfecting the slipstream drive?

Since the relationship with the Koas was followed up on, I'd like to know what happened with the Silgov.
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Old January 13 2014, 02:40 AM   #19
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Has there been mention in the novels as to whether or not the Sovereign-class can utilize slipstream drive? If I remember correctly, that class is right about the same size as the Vesta-class, and very similar in configuration.
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Old January 13 2014, 04:20 AM   #20
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Has there been mention in the novels as to whether or not the Sovereign-class can utilize slipstream drive? If I remember correctly, that class is right about the same size as the Vesta-class, and very similar in configuration.
I don't recall any such mention. (Although my memory is hardly the best.)

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Old January 13 2014, 10:01 PM   #21
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Has there been mention in the novels as to whether or not the Sovereign-class can utilize slipstream drive? If I remember correctly, that class is right about the same size as the Vesta-class, and very similar in configuration.
I don't recall any such mention. (Although my memory is hardly the best.)

Thanks, Avro Arrow, and thanks for the spoiler hint.
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Old January 14 2014, 12:04 AM   #22
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The Confederate QSD prototype was completely engulfed by Aventine's tractor beam and the exploding ship yard it tried to escape, along with all associated engineers and schematic.
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Old January 14 2014, 05:11 AM   #23
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The Confederate QSD prototype was completely engulfed by Aventine's tractor beam and the exploding ship yard it tried to escape, along with all associated engineers and schematic.
For a second there, I thought you were trying to say that Jefferson Davis came closer to winning the Civil War than we thought.
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Old January 15 2014, 01:25 AM   #24
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For a second there, I thought you were trying to say that Jefferson Davis came closer to winning the Civil War than we thought.
I wonder whether the Breen Confederacy's starship prefix is CSS?
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Old January 15 2014, 02:43 AM   #25
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For a second there, I thought you were trying to say that Jefferson Davis came closer to winning the Civil War than we thought.
I wonder whether the Breen Confederacy's starship prefix is CSS?
Heh.

Although! Moving back to the topic of starships in Typhon Pact, I wonder if the Khitomer Alliance assigns starship prefixes to Typhon Pact starships or its own members' starships the way NATO does for, for instance, French ships?

If it did, I wonder what the prefixes might be? Maybe we could speculate...

Federation starships, of course, get the prefix "U.S.S." Rise of the Federation: A Choice of Futures depicts the early Federation Starfleet as being comprised of the space services of its founding Members, all converted into operating divisions of the larger Federation Starfleet; this seems to imply that "U.S.S." is a way of saying, "All these fleets are now united as one."

We know that Klingon starships have the prefix "I.K.S." for "Imperial Klingon Starship."

Memory Beta uses the term "C.D.S." for Cardassian starships, but I can't find a source.

Ferengi ships... Hmm. Maybe "T.G.S." for "Treasury Guard Starship?"

We know from Plagues of Night that Romulan ships get the prefix "I.R.W."

Breen Confederacy = "B.C.S." ("Breen Confederacy Starship")

Gorn Hegemony = "I.G.S." ("Imperial Gorn Starship") or maybe "G.H.S." ("Gorn Hegemonic Starship")

Tholian Assembly = All their ships names end with the second name Tholis, so that seems to be their equivalent...

Tzenkethi Coalition = "T.C.S." for "Tzenkethi Coalition Starship"

Holy Order of the Kinshaya = "H.O.S." for "Holy Order Starship"
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Old January 15 2014, 06:17 AM   #26
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I just double checked on Memory Alpha, and the IRW prefix for Romulan ships goes all the way back to 6th season TNG episode Face of the Enemy.
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Old January 15 2014, 08:59 AM   #27
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Federation starships, of course, get the prefix "U.S.S." Rise of the Federation: A Choice of Futures depicts the early Federation Starfleet as being comprised of the space services of its founding Members, all converted into operating divisions of the larger Federation Starfleet; this seems to imply that "U.S.S." is a way of saying, "All these fleets are now united as one."
That's what I've always assumed. I imagined that U.S.S stood for "United Starfleet Starship", as in "ship of the United Starfleet", the United Starfleet being that amalgamation of members' fleets. I imagine people would drop the "United" and just refer to "the Starfleet", especially as the fleets became ever less differentiated.

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We know that Klingon starships have the prefix "I.K.S." for "Imperial Klingon Starship."

Memory Beta uses the term "C.D.S." for Cardassian starships, but I can't find a source.
Presumably, "Cardassian Defence Ship"? Andor uses the prefix ADS, which I'm again guessing is "Andorian Defence Ship"? I think CDS has been used several times in the novels; for example in "The Slow Knife" from Seven Deadly Sins.

As an aside, I note that the word "defence" gets used quite frequently. Even the Klingons have a Defence Force instead of the far more appropriate Offence Force. I suppose the urge to justify your aggression by framing it in terms of self-defence is universal...

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Ferengi ships... Hmm. Maybe "T.G.S." for "Treasury Guard Starship?"

We know from Plagues of Night that Romulan ships get the prefix "I.R.W."
"Imperial Romulan Warbird", I imagine, which implies it's only ships of the warbird tier that get this prefix (whatever the official definition of a warbird is). That said, some of the displays in DS9's later seasons also affixed a PWB prefix to some of the Romulan ships - perhaps "Praetorian War Bird?" Some sources mention a Praetorian Fleet as the most elite division of the Galae, so maybe they have their own prefix?
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Old January 16 2014, 06:00 AM   #28
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The Confederate QSD prototype was completely engulfed by Aventine's tractor beam and the exploding ship yard it tried to escape, along with all associated engineers and schematic.
Prototype, shipyard, engineers, and schematics all destroyed? ALL destroyed? Well. Isn't THAT a nice and neat and tidy way to put the kibosh on the TP's slipstream drive quest?

Clearly, the Typhon Pact needs a lesson on the benefits of redundancy...
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Old January 16 2014, 06:02 AM   #29
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Federation starships, of course, get the prefix "U.S.S." Rise of the Federation: A Choice of Futures depicts the early Federation Starfleet as being comprised of the space services of its founding Members, all converted into operating divisions of the larger Federation Starfleet; this seems to imply that "U.S.S." is a way of saying, "All these fleets are now united as one."
I am inclined to think of the prefix "USS" as standing for "United Federation of Planets Starfleet Starship". Rather lengthy, but there it is.
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Old January 16 2014, 08:07 AM   #30
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The Confederate QSD prototype was completely engulfed by Aventine's tractor beam and the exploding ship yard it tried to escape, along with all associated engineers and schematic.
Prototype, shipyard, engineers, and schematics all destroyed? ALL destroyed? Well. Isn't THAT a nice and neat and tidy way to put the kibosh on the TP's slipstream drive quest?

Clearly, the Typhon Pact needs a lesson on the benefits of redundancy...
This was covered in Zero Sum Game - why there was only one physical site, and the corruption of the data versions of the new ship.
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