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View Poll Results: Rate "The Cage"
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Old January 11 2014, 04:01 PM   #31
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Re: Episode of the Week : The Cage

Didn't someone here (at TREKBBS) say the the network was all in favour of a multi-racial cast (assuming they didn't kiss anyone)
Surely GR would have been more worried about the suits in his 2nd pilot.
But really who knows what was going on at the time and how much GR made up to save face (understandably).

TOS was still pretty good overall IMO. If Martin Luther King told Nichelle Nichols to stay in Star Trek as a role model then who am I to argue?
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Old January 11 2014, 04:27 PM   #32
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A lot of things were being challenged in the 1950s, '60s and '70s. No matter how principled and moral something sounds in the real world you still have to deal with people's prejudices and preconceived ways of looking at things. From our contemporary perspective Uhura's role and Number One's don't seem like anything to talk about. Indeed Uhura isn't shown doing all that much (unfortunately), but her very presence was quite progressive for the time.
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Old January 11 2014, 05:59 PM   #33
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Compared to the all-white Lost in Space, Uhura was notable, but compared to I Spy ('65) or Mission: Impossible ('66) her role wasn't anything to shout about.

Inside Star Trek: The Real Story definitely makes the point that NBC wanted a multi-racial cast from the beginning; I can consult the book a little later if someone is interested in a quote.
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Old January 11 2014, 06:38 PM   #34
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Re: Episode of the Week : The Cage

Did "I Spy" or "Mission Impossible" have any non-white women as regular cast members? I don't remember I Spy (if I ever saw it) I get the impression Nichelle was also meant to be a role model to women.

I'm also thinking "Land of the Giants" and even original BSG had non-white males but they were later series I suppose.
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Old January 11 2014, 06:49 PM   #35
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CommishSleer wrote: View Post
Did "I Spy" or "Mission Impossible" have any non-white women as regular cast members? I don't remember I Spy (if I ever saw it) I get the impression Nichelle was also meant to be a role model to women.

I'm also thinking "Land of the Giants" and even original BSG had non-white males but they were later series I suppose.
That's the thing. Bill Cosby (I, Spy) and Greg Morris (Mission: Impossible) were men. Nichelle Nichols was the double whammy, black and a woman.
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Old January 11 2014, 06:51 PM   #36
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A lot of things were being challenged in the 1950s, '60s and '70s. No matter how principled and moral something sounds in the real world you still have to deal with people's prejudices and preconceived ways of looking at things. From our contemporary perspective Uhura's role and Number One's don't seem like anything to talk about. Indeed Uhura isn't shown doing all that much (unfortunately), but her very presence was quite progressive for the time.
Very nicely put. It was AMAZING in 1966 to see people of color on American TV, who where not a maid....janitor...Pullman porter. Trek, I SPY, and M:I were IT. And the same for Asians who weren't running a laundry or a houseboy.
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Old January 11 2014, 06:52 PM   #37
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Land of the Giants started in '68, so it was a contemporary of Star Trek, but Battlestar: Galactica ('78) was definitely afterwards.

In terms of roles for black women, they were certainly rarer in the '60s than roles for black men, but there were some of note. Most notable, of course, would be Diahann Carroll in the title role of Julia ('68). There was also Gail Fisher as Peggy Fair on Mannix ('67).

Nichelle Nichols as Uhura predates both of those, although she was never a regular (either contractually or in billing).

EDIT: Sir Rhosis kindly informed me of East Side/West Side ('63) (which I've never seen), which co-starred Cicely Tyson in a much more prominent role than Nichelle Nichols ever had on the original series.
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Old January 11 2014, 08:57 PM   #38
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^^^Though the character was written out toward the end of the program.

TVLand (iirc) used to show the occasional ep. Tame by today's standards, but it had to have been "in your face" in '63.

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Old January 11 2014, 09:14 PM   #39
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To be fair, this article claims that CBS offered to renew the program if Tyson's character was replaced with a white woman, so she certainly wasn't being embraced by the network executives at the time.
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Old January 11 2014, 11:09 PM   #40
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NBC TELEVISION NETWORK

August 17, 1965

Mr. Gene Roddenberry
DESILU STUDIOS
Hollywood, Calif.

Dear Gene:

Census figures, in the mid-1960s, indicate that one American in every eight is non-white. It is reasonable to assume that this percentage also applies to the television audience.

I choose this statistic to call to your attention once again to NBC's longstanding policy of non-discrimination. Our efforts in the past to assure the fact that the programs broadcast on our facilities are a natural reflection of the role of minorities in American life have met with substantial success. I would like to congratulate those producers who have extended themselves in this regard and I invite all of our creative associates to join us in an even greater effort to meet this fact of American life.

NBC's employment policy has long dictated that there can be no discrimination because of race, creed, religion or national origin and this applies in all of out operations. In addition, since we are mindful of our vast audience and the extent to which television influences taste and attitudes, we are not only anxious but determined that members of minority groups be treated in a manner consistent with their role in society. While this applies to all racial minorities, obviously the principle reference is to the casting and depiction of Negroes. Our purpose is to assure that in our medium, and within the permissive framework of dramatic license, we present a reasonable reflection of contemporary society.

We urge producers to cast Negroes, subject to their availability and competence as performs, as people who are an integral segment of the population, as well as in those roles where the fact of their minority status is of significance. An earnest attempt has been made to see that their presence contributes to an honest and natural reflection of places, situations and events, and we desire to intensify and extend this effort.

We believe that NBC's pursuit of this police is pre-eminent in the broadcasting industry. It is evident in both the daytime and nighttime schedules and particularly in such popular programs as I SPY, THE ANDY WILLIAMS SHOW, THE MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E., RUN FOR YOUR LIFE, and many other presentations. While we have made noticeable progress we can do better, and I ask you for your cooperation and help.

Sincerely,

MORT WERNER
[Programs Vice President]

* As reproduced on pages 76–77 of the book Inside Star Trek by Herbert F. Solow and Robert H. Justman, 1996 by Pocket Books
So the one memo we know of re diversity was post-Cage.
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Old January 14 2014, 08:48 PM   #41
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Re: Episode of the Week : The Cage

If they can release the unaired pilot version of Where No Man Has Gone Before, why oh why not Roddenberry's print of The Cage?

Sorry, I really must shut up about this.
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Old January 14 2014, 11:01 PM   #42
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^^^Maybe CBS doesn't have it any more. It's possible Roddenberry's black and white dupe is the only surviving copy of the original cut.
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Old January 15 2014, 12:00 AM   #43
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Re: Episode of the Week : The Cage

Back in '08 (I think) I went to the Cinema to see the original full version of "The Cage"

It was a 1 night showing across the country. I believe it was the full version. I seem to remember it was over 90 min long, including an introduction and close out. I also seem to remember it was all in color.

Anyone else remember this?
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Old January 15 2014, 03:35 AM   #44
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Regarding the uncut print...I agree! I've been dying to see this for YEARS!!
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Old January 15 2014, 03:45 AM   #45
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The Cage is a fine piece of work. It's also easy to see at this stage how Jack Lord would have been quite suited to the leading role. I think he would have been especially good in the 'now that the female is properly conditioned/whole human community' scene.
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