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Old December 6 2013, 05:49 AM   #1
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What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

I’m sure that most of you already know that originally the powers that be wanted to get rid of Garrett Wang instead of Jennifer Lien. He was saved by the fact that in 1997 he was voted as one of the "50 Most Beautiful People in the World” by People magazine. What do you think Voyager would have been like if the powers that be would have gotten rid of the Harry Kim character instead of Kes? Do you think they would have still brought in a female Seven of Nine or do you think they would have brought in a male version of Seven of Nine instead? Of course the other options would have been to: 1) leave the main cast the way it was (minus Harry), 2) add a new cast member by finding a new character to join the Voyager crew, 3) promote one of the already known / seen extras to join the main cast, or 4) have an previously unknown Voyager crewman promoted to become a series regular a la Paolo and Nikki from Season 3 of Lost.
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Old December 6 2013, 06:00 AM   #2
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

Probably still would have brought in Seven of Nine.

Just, there might have been more interesting character episodes in the last four seasons and more exploration of the telepathy arc.
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Old December 6 2013, 06:06 AM   #3
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

Ro might mean that the show seems a little top heavy with blond actresses if Jenifer had stayed.

But, really, Harry was unfired between Scorpions after Jeri was cast.

The plan was to be top heavy with blond actresses.
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Old December 6 2013, 06:18 AM   #4
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

If Wang had left Voyager, all hell might have (IMHO) broken loose on-line and off-line; the Asian-American community might have reacted badly at the news that he was being let go (although there were no blogs then.) I think that a way should have also been found to keep Kes/Lien and also have Seven Of Nine be on board Voyager as well, with Kes being Voyager's resident counselor, and with her helping Seven regain her humanity (as well as becoming her lover-think about it; Star Trek gets a queer relationship officially instead of unofficially years later with Star Trek Phase 2!)
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Old December 6 2013, 09:35 AM   #5
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

No one should have been kicked out, even if they had to add Seven.

I agree with Shaka Zulu's statement that Kes should have been the counselor on Voyager but disagree with the Seven/Kes lesbian suggestion. Kes had had a relationship with Neelix and a romance with Zahir and was obviously straight or heterosexual and Seven was the same. Besides that, the whole "gay character in Star Trek" is getting a bit obsessive. If they want such characters, then go ahead and create a new series with such characters but leave the already established characters as they are.
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Old December 6 2013, 09:41 AM   #6
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

Why would anyone go to see a counselor who was what, 4 years old?
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Old December 6 2013, 09:59 AM   #7
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

You're not thinking about it in the right direction.

Every one wants a councillor who is going to be dead of natural causes in 3 years or less.
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Old December 6 2013, 10:05 AM   #8
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

Hmm what would the TV execs and target show demographic want: a large-breasted blonde in a catsuit, or a man in some loose-fitting civvies? Let me think...

Its a shame they got rid of Kes, who had a far more interesting set up than Kim ever did. But they kinda shot themselves in the foot after the EMH was allowed to roam free. He should've been restrained to sickbay (maybe with holo-emitters in engineering and the bridge for emergencies) making Kes the on-scene medic--making her role a little better defined.

As for a counsellor, wasn't that supposed to be more Neelix's role as "morale officer"?
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Old December 6 2013, 10:31 AM   #9
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

A morale officer makes you happy no matter how much you want to kill yourself on the inside.

Whores and hooch basically.

(Why does everything come back to M*A*S*H*? I haven't seen an episode in ten years!)
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Old December 6 2013, 11:29 AM   #10
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

I preferred Kim to Kes, underdeveloped as he was. I'm glad they didn't.
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Old December 6 2013, 07:24 PM   #11
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

I don't see why anyone had to leave the show.
Practically speaking, maybe problems with the actor or budget concerns would lead to dismissal.

But creatively? DS9 successfully handled dozens of characters in the show. But VOY can't handle nine or ten?

And yeah, I know some say VOY really only featured three or four characters anyway, never mind ten characters.
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Old December 6 2013, 09:48 PM   #12
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

DS9 and Voyager were worlds apart.

DS9 was done properly.
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Old December 6 2013, 10:30 PM   #13
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

As far as Kim's storyline -- no significant loss -- did the Tom/Kimfriendship even develop in the latter seasons?

If they kept7 AND Kes..it would have been an interesting parallel if they SLOWLY de-borgified 7....7 would become more and more a healthy young woman, while Kes could be aged every season...so by the end, they'd either have to make a miracle cure, or die of old age. (And THAT would have been interesting -- have outsiders related to Kes & a crew member in different ways.

And to solve the Doctor problem -- he would have to be a pure Hologram, that could NOT touch objects,so Kes would have to literally be his hands & feet...which could make for some nice interaction between the 2...another reversal where the Doctor's humanity grows while Kes' slips away.
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Old December 6 2013, 10:35 PM   #14
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

If Garrett Wang had been released from the show instead of Jennifer Lien, two things would have happened:

1) We would have missed out on so many clarinet solos, tears, and his one good scene as an actor.

2) Lynx would have had much less to bitch and moan about over the intervening years, thereby robbing me of numerous occasions to make fun of him.

All told, I'm sorry Lien was let go, but I'm also sorry Wang wasn't instead.

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Old December 6 2013, 11:10 PM   #15
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

doubleohfive wrote: View Post
If Garrett Wang had been released from the show instead of Jennifer Lien, two things would have happened:

1) We would have missed out on so many clarinet solos, tears, and his one good scene as an actor.

2) Lynx would have had much less to bitch and moan about over the intervening years, thereby robbing me of numerous occasions to make fun of him.

All told, I'm sorry Lien was let go, but I'm also sorry Wang wasn't instead.

You see, I've managed to make at least one person happy! Maybe I'm not such a bad Lynx after all!
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