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Old January 24 2014, 02:28 AM   #1
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Star Trek X & XI sets.....

The big problem that I have with the sets, and I just watched the first movie last night, is that you have a super futuristic bridge, but the engine room looks like a disused water reclaimation plant from the south of Los Angeles, that they used for the lower sections of the Enterprise.
With huge plexiglass tubes for Scotty to swim through, with "I" beams with rivets, like a building that was over 300 years old! It's just not logical for a ship in the year 2260!
There are a lot of other prop and device problems that I noticed, but the sets were SO obvious.

Just my opinion
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Old January 24 2014, 03:20 AM   #2
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the engine room looks like a disused water reclaimation plant from the south of Los Angeles,
It was in fact a brewery.
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Old January 24 2014, 09:52 AM   #3
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Re: Star Trek X & XI sets.....

Yeah I wasn't happy with those sets either, the ones from the TNG films look better and they were penny pinching efforts to say the least, it's a minor quibble for me though that was addressed in the second movie
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Old January 24 2014, 11:27 AM   #4
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Re: Star Trek X & XI sets.....

I know I'm in the minority, but I loved the engineering sections. They looked to me like the TOS engine room cranked up 1000 fold in scale and complexity.

The NIF target chamber warp core in Into Darkness is awesome too, and (as Simon Pegg points out in the BR extras), the architecture is a perfect mix of the shiny white bridge and pipe-filled guts of the Enterprise.


P.S. my inner OCD forces me to point out that it's XI and XII.

P.P.S. TNG's engine room had a pot-bellied stove for a warp core, a high-tech pool table in the middle of the room and a row of ATM machines in Geordi's office
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Old January 24 2014, 11:29 AM   #5
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Re: Star Trek X & XI sets.....

I thought that the STID warp core was awesome, especially from the outside.
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Old January 24 2014, 05:21 PM   #6
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Re: Star Trek X & XI sets.....

It may have similar elements to the engineering of the past, but the OP is right in that there is a larger design inconsistency between engineering and the bridge in these movies. I think that's kind of interesting though, to not have every area of the ship be in some nice, neat package.
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Old January 24 2014, 06:34 PM   #7
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Re: Star Trek X & XI sets.....

I get what the OP is saying for sure. I also get the the designers in the movie were going for.

It's a shock to the system, because if there is one thing in common with Trek ship designs over the last 50 years it was consistency.

While Engineering didn't look exactly like the bridge there were more than enough common elements in the room that said "we are still on the ship".

It stood out to me more in ST09 than it did in STiD, but we really became accustom to uniform ship design. And the engine room scenes in ST09 specifically didn't feel like they took place in the same place.
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Old January 24 2014, 09:11 PM   #8
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It may have similar elements to the engineering of the past, but the OP is right in that there is a larger design inconsistency between engineering and the bridge in these movies. I think that's kind of interesting though, to not have every area of the ship be in some nice, neat package.
Abrams had stated that he wanted the "lower decks" to have a very rough and unfinished look, like sea-faring vessels.
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Old January 24 2014, 09:43 PM   #9
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It may have similar elements to the engineering of the past, but the OP is right in that there is a larger design inconsistency between engineering and the bridge in these movies. I think that's kind of interesting though, to not have every area of the ship be in some nice, neat package.
Why would engineering look like the bridge? They serve different functions.
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Old January 24 2014, 09:50 PM   #10
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Re: Star Trek X & XI sets.....

I have to commend the OP on his/her originality. This topic has never been discussed before on this forum, or indeed, the entire Internets.
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Old January 24 2014, 09:59 PM   #11
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It may have similar elements to the engineering of the past, but the OP is right in that there is a larger design inconsistency between engineering and the bridge in these movies. I think that's kind of interesting though, to not have every area of the ship be in some nice, neat package.
Why would engineering look like the bridge? They serve different functions.
Yeah, it doesn't really make too much sense. It seems more like something done by an artist with a focus on consistency (and possibly having everything being designed neatly) rather than done by someone looking to make something functional or mirroring something modern. I think the idea of consistency was thought of as futuristic, but I think it's more interesting to have variety. It wouldn't hurt if there was at least some thread of consistency, but I don't think it's necessary.
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Old January 25 2014, 08:46 AM   #12
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Re: Star Trek X & XI sets.....

Nerys Myk wrote: View Post
Why would engineering look like the bridge?
Why would it look like a brewery?
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Old January 25 2014, 09:08 AM   #13
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Why would engineering look like the bridge?
Why would it look like a brewery?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ship+engine+room

Scroll through the images, keeping in mind that the question is, "Why would an engine room on a ship have visual similarities with a brewery?" Also, keep in mind that there is no such thing as an FTL starship, and consequently, there is nothing in the real world to use for comparison, or even just as a guide, when depicting the engine room of such a thing.
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Old January 25 2014, 05:40 PM   #14
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Hober Mallow wrote: View Post
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Why would engineering look like the bridge?
Why would it look like a brewery?
Because it has liquids and gases that need to be transported via pipes and stored in containers. There also so might be power conduits and large equipment. So why wouldn't it?
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Old January 25 2014, 08:54 PM   #15
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Nerys Myk wrote: View Post
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Why would engineering look like the bridge?
Why would it look like a brewery?
Because it has liquids and gases that need to be transported via pipes and stored in containers.
Yes, water, malted barley, hops, and yeast. But where does the anti-matter go?
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