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Old January 9 2014, 07:55 PM   #16
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Re: Was/is Andoria ever a major space power?

TOS and ENT are really the only times we get to see Andorians. Like someone else mentioned, they are makeup-intensive. Vulcans are cheaper.
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Old January 10 2014, 01:36 AM   #17
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Re: Was/is Andoria ever a major space power?

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Worf wasn't Roddenberry's idea? hunh.
Nope. Roddenberry had originally decreed no-previously-known aliens on the ship, in an attempt to stop too many comparisons with TOS and to force the series to branch off on its own. They had locked in references to a UFP/Klingon alliance, and GR was eventually convinced (by Justman, Gerrold and Fontana?) to put a minor Klingon character in the first episode to demonstrate this (and some Vulcan extras, too). As the pilot commenced filming, and perhaps on the strength of Michael Dorn's patience (with the makeup) and acting abilities, they realised the character of Worf had great potential for future episodes.

He seems completely a logical extension of the events of "Errand of Mercy"
Hence the UFP/Klingon alliance mentioned in the TNG Writers' Bible.

There had already been a popular character, Konom, a Klingon "turncoat", whom DC Comics had added as a regular Enterprise crewmember to their post-ST II comics (but when DC's contract was renegotiated during the hiatus between TNG's Season 1 and 2, Konom was abruptly removed). I think fan appreciation of the Starfleet-uniformed Konom in the comics may have influenced the thinking behind adding a Klingon regular to TNG.
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Old January 10 2014, 01:53 AM   #18
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As a co-equal founder of Federation we see surprisingly few Andorians in Star Trek.
To be fair we only see the crews 2 starships and space station and starship and only a fraction of said crews at that plus a fraction of the crews from the relatively few other starships and space stations in the federation, which adds up to only having a pretty tiny faction of the federation and Starfleet being shown on screen

So really judging the Andorians presence in the federation by their TV appearances is kind of laughable.
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Old January 10 2014, 02:00 AM   #19
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The reason we only saw the Andorians just once in the TNG era was because make-up tech at the time couldn't make them look good. It was only by ENT that they had good looking make-up tech to make them look good.
they were little seen in the TNG era vecause Berman said this show doesn't do antennea
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Old January 10 2014, 11:58 AM   #20
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There could be a whole fleet of Starfleet ships crewed only by Andorians, we've seen Vulcan-only ships before so its a stong possibility.

There is the storyline introduced in the DS9 relaunch, about how the Andorians are slowly dying out due to their biology and the stresses their four sexes place on successful breeding. That would be one way of explaining how there aren't many about by the 24th century.
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Old January 10 2014, 07:16 PM   #21
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There could be a whole fleet of Starfleet ships crewed only by Andorians, we've seen Vulcan-only ships before so its a stong possibility.
We've heard or seen the names of over 150 Starfleet starships, did we even get one that would have been Andorian in origin?

There is the storyline introduced in the DS9 relaunch, about how the Andorians are slowly dying out due to their biology and the stresses their four sexes place on successful breeding.
It's kind of a idiotic concept, the Andorian people have been around for multiple thousands of years with four genders, and suddenly that's one of the prime reasons they're now going extinct?

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Old January 10 2014, 08:24 PM   #22
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There could be a whole fleet of Starfleet ships crewed only by Andorians, we've seen Vulcan-only ships before so its a stong possibility.
We've heard or seen the names of over 150 Starfleet starships, did we even get one that would have been Andorian in origin?
Who says Andorian ships didn't have names that translate to "Intrepid", "Endeavour", "Enterprise" and the rest?
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Old January 11 2014, 02:06 AM   #23
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Why would the Andorian names be translated into English? Commander Shran's ship in ST: Enterprise was Kumari, and we've seen multiple Vulcan ships in ENT and one in DS9 with Vulcan names.

The name T'Kumbra wasn't translated into English.

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Old January 11 2014, 03:39 AM   #24
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Why would the Andorian names be translated into English? Commander Shran's ship in ST: Enterprise was Kumari, and we've seen multiple Vulcan ships in ENT and one in DS9 with Vulcan names.

The name T'Kumbra wasn't translated into English.

Perhaps they were named after people.
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Old January 11 2014, 04:09 AM   #25
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It's kind of a idiotic concept, the Andorian people have been around for multiple thousands of years with four genders, and suddenly that's one of the prime reasons they're now going extinct?
I don't think it happened suddenly. It seemed to be a closely-guarded secret that became known following Andor's involvement in the founding of the Federation. The issue was retconned into TOS in the MU story about Thelin th'Valrass.

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Old January 11 2014, 01:00 PM   #26
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Perhaps they were named after people.
The majority of Starfleet ship names have been Human proper names. Human family names, Earth historical figures, Earth river names, Earth city names, Earth mythical figures, Earth animals and insects. Only a few have been generic names or concepts.

Where were the Andorian ship names, in the Andorian language?

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Old January 11 2014, 01:19 PM   #27
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We've heard or seen the names of over 150 Starfleet starships, did we even get one that would have been Andorian in origin?
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Cate...rian_starships

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Andorian_starships (scroll down)

Remember that the Starfleet starship that was full of Vulcans was called Intrepid, not a Vulcan name.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_...%28NCC-1631%29
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Old January 11 2014, 05:26 PM   #28
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Perhaps they were named after people.
The majority of Starfleet ship names have been Human proper names. Human family names, Earth historical figures, Earth river names, Earth city names, Earth mythical figures, Earth animals and insects. Only a few have been generic names or concepts.

Where were the Andorian ship names, in the Andorian language?

Third ship to the left and second one down in any "fleet shot".
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Old January 11 2014, 06:02 PM   #29
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Remember that the Starfleet starship that was full of Vulcans was called Intrepid, not a Vulcan name.
While that starship was crewed by Vulcans, the ship's name (to me) indicate that it was carrying a Human name.

The link you kindly provided to MA mentioned Imperial Guard starships, not Starfleet.

I stopped reading the novels with the relaunch.

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Remember that the Starfleet starship that was full of Vulcans was called Intrepid, not a Vulcan name.
While that starship was crewed by Vulcans, the ship's name (to me) indicate that it was carrying a Human name.
I believe I said that. "Not a Vulcan name".

The link you kindly provided to MA mentioned Imperial Guard starships, not Starfleet.
Because Memory Alpha is only concerned with canonical facts. No aired episode or movie has linked a specific Starfleet vessel with an all-Andorian crew, so it cannot speculate further.

I stopped reading the novels with the relaunch.

Hardly my fault. Had I not provided a (non-canonical) Memory Beta link, someone would have pointed out this omission and chastised me. And if you did stop reading tie-in novels, you've missed some amazing stories.

This happens every time someone wants any trivia answer not provided by the canon. It does get a bit boring to just keep saying, "Officially, we don't know because the series never told us."
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