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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old January 3 2014, 04:25 PM   #1
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What if theyd brought back Khan for Nemesis?

been thinking, what if theyd brought back Khan for Nemesis (which was TWOK in everything but name) via cloning and had him unleash hell for the federation (as he could have retained some memories from TWOK like Ripley in Alien Resurrection). They could have got some younger guy at the time like Antonio Banderus/Javier Barhem/Bencio Del Toro to portray him for the majority of the film kicking ass killing people etc (with a mystery thing for a while as to who he is before its revealed like STID), and then had Richardo Monalban in a cameo at the end as he ages up due to the cloning going wrong/accelerating him. Nimoy couldve even had a cameo too like in STID only hed be talking to Picard not nuSpock. maybe even got N Meyer to direct, or Frakes if not.

Cloning was the central element in Nemesis, as well as being central to Alien Resurrection in 97 and SW Ep II in 02, and went on to be used in the Augment 'Enterprise' 3 parter. it was a big deal in the late 90s/early so im surprised they never thought seriously about bringing back Treks most popular villain back then for a TNG film.

Plus they kept doing the khan like villain ever since TWOK so why not have just brought back the real deal back for Nemesis.

fans wouldve gone nuts to see Picard face off against Khan so itd had more of a chance of holding its own against LOTR & 007.

could have called it 'Star Trek: Vengeance' (as that was the original title for TWOK)

i guess IDW could do a Picard v Khan comic mini series (they do everything else so why not)

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Old January 3 2014, 05:32 PM   #2
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Re: What if theyd brought back Khan for Nemesis?

They kept doing the Khan like villain ever since TWOK? When? Where?
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Old January 3 2014, 06:20 PM   #3
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Re: What if theyd brought back Khan for Nemesis?

Not that any of the other villains were particularly Khan-like, but certainly on the TNG films, when giving interviews, the baddies were frequently proclaimed to be "the best/most dangerous/whatever villain since Khan". Except for First Contact, since the Borg pretty much sell themselves.
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Old January 3 2014, 06:46 PM   #4
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Old January 5 2014, 12:56 PM   #5
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Re: What if theyd brought back Khan for Nemesis?

I was thinking they should have had the guts to say Malik from Enterprise was a younger clone of Khan Noonien Singh. But Nemesis with Khan? Nah.

(although I'm still waiting on Pocket Books' long ago promised "what if Khan were found and thawed by the TNG crew" Myriad Universes story)
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Old January 5 2014, 04:05 PM   #6
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The romulans should have been the bad guys in nemesis not a clone of Picard it would have been interesting because they had never been the bad guys in a star trek movie.
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Old January 5 2014, 05:03 PM   #7
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They say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. It's also the lowest form of talent.

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Old February 13 2014, 12:49 AM   #8
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if they had done khan for Nemesis i wonder if theyd have brought him back for STID too?
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Old February 13 2014, 08:44 AM   #9
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I remember reading in an old magazine (Starlog, or perhaps the official Next Gen mag?) an article by a writer who pitched a return-of-Khan episode for TNG. Apparently it was very well received, but Ricardo Montalban could not be persuaded to appear, and the idea was dropped.
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Old February 13 2014, 12:51 PM   #10
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Re: What if theyd brought back Khan for Nemesis?

Botany Bay wrote: View Post
I remember reading in an old magazine (Starlog, or perhaps the official Next Gen mag?) an article by a writer who pitched a return-of-Khan episode for TNG. Apparently it was very well received, but Ricardo Montalban could not be persuaded to appear, and the idea was dropped.
As a clone? How else would they have done it?
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Old February 13 2014, 01:59 PM   #11
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I remember reading in an old magazine (Starlog, or perhaps the official Next Gen mag?) an article by a writer who pitched a return-of-Khan episode for TNG. Apparently it was very well received, but Ricardo Montalban could not be persuaded to appear, and the idea was dropped.
interesting..first ive heard of it. Wouldve been an awesome 2parter..like a big mystery until we see Montalban at the end of ep 1 like nimoy in Unification. Then part 2 wouuld be TWOK redux
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Old February 14 2014, 11:57 PM   #12
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I really can't imagine WHY Khan would have a beef with the Federation.

Besides, he is dead.

Also, and of course, if Khan almost defeated Kirk, he would make short work of Picard.
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Old February 15 2014, 12:11 AM   #13
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JarodRussell wrote: View Post
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I remember reading in an old magazine (Starlog, or perhaps the official Next Gen mag?) an article by a writer who pitched a return-of-Khan episode for TNG. Apparently it was very well received, but Ricardo Montalban could not be persuaded to appear, and the idea was dropped.
As a clone? How else would they have done it?
If it's the one I heard about (many a year ago), it was suppose to be an effect of the Genesis Device/Wave. Can't recall the details beyond the "If Genesis brought Spock back, why not Khan" being the alleged pitch.
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Old February 15 2014, 03:59 AM   #14
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Creative for a fan, bad for a screenwriter. I think this obsession to fix Nemesis. It can't be done. It has good points and bad. Let's just let sleeping dogs lie.
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Old February 15 2014, 04:20 AM   #15
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TWOK should have been the final appearance of Khan. Still the best.
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