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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old February 10 2014, 12:54 PM   #1
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NEMESIS STILL LOOKS GOOD!

Wow. For a film that was released in 2002, the special effects have really held up. Guess what, the movie is also pretty good too. Lay off people.
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Old February 10 2014, 01:29 PM   #2
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Enjoy NEMESIS, if you must, but ...

I, for one, still can't believe how Stuart Baird had the temerity to let Marina and Gates look like doggy-doo, in this picture! Marina, especially, has enough make-up on to stop a bullet. When she's in sickbay, after Shinzon and his Viceroy mind-rape her, Marina looks unforgivably bad! For their last outing, would it have hurt to give Marina and Gates the TMP "youthifying" treatment? Otherwise the effects totally look CGI in nature, the story is rubbish and the set-lighting is too harsh. But, hey ... NEMESIS has its audience and that's cool. I only own it, myself, because I am a STAR TREK movie completist.
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Old February 10 2014, 01:35 PM   #3
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When she's in sickbay, after Shinzon and his Viceroy mind-rape her, Marina looks unforgivably bad!
That was...kinda the point.
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Old February 10 2014, 01:40 PM   #4
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Yes, the FX do actually hold up quite well. It's still the worst Trek movie by some margin though.
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Old February 10 2014, 01:48 PM   #5
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When she's in sickbay, after Shinzon and his Viceroy mind-rape her, Marina looks unforgivably bad!
That was...kinda the point.
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Old February 10 2014, 01:56 PM   #6
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LOKAI of CHERON wrote: View Post
Yes, the FX do actually hold up quite well. It's still the worst Trek movie by some margin though.
Well, I can't agree with that. To paraphrase Sheldon Cooper: The Final Frontier is orders of magnitude worse than Nemesis.

Nemesis is a deeply flawed movie, but I still find it pretty watchable (much moreso than Insurrection). And yes, I agree, the movie LOOKS great and the effects hold up well, even on Blu-Ray.
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Old February 10 2014, 02:53 PM   #7
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Wow. For a film that was released in 2002, the special effects have really held up.
I agree. It still looks gorgeous...

Guess what, the movie is also pretty good too.
... this, however, is a very tenuous statement (or, at the very least, an entirely subjective one).

Lay off people.
I really can't see that happening around here anytime soon.
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Old February 10 2014, 04:51 PM   #8
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I love the zoom-in on the Romulan city at the start... but can't not notice the double (or more) sized CG people! They're the same height as the senate doors on the outside, then we cut to indoors, where the doors dwarf the Romulans guarding them.
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Old February 10 2014, 05:17 PM   #9
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Personally, I thought Nemesis looked the cheapest of the films--next to STV or GEN. The space battles were good, I'll give them that. Yet,the rest of the movie just looked "made for tv".

As for the script: Good ideal, great ideal, classic Trek ideal...fell down face first on the execution.
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Old February 10 2014, 05:21 PM   #10
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Personally, I thought Nemesis looked the cheapest of the films--next to STV or GEN. The space battles were good, I'll give them that. Yet,the rest of the movie just looked "made for tv".

As for the script: Good ideal, great ideal, classic Trek ideal...fell down face first on the execution.


Generations looked cheap?!?
other than the re-used effects shot of the bird-of-prey, what was cheap about it? It looks gorgeous ad cinematic.
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Old February 10 2014, 05:21 PM   #11
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Let's be honest, Star Trek is not the height of cinematography and film making, however I like modern-looking cinema, and I think Nemesis still looks from good even now.
The story however could have been better.

...and, erm... I like Generations (visually).
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Old February 10 2014, 05:30 PM   #12
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Personally, I thought Nemesis looked the cheapest of the films--next to STV or GEN. The space battles were good, I'll give them that. Yet,the rest of the movie just looked "made for tv".

As for the script: Good ideal, great ideal, classic Trek ideal...fell down face first on the execution.


Generations looked cheap?!?
other than the re-used effects shot of the bird-of-prey, what was cheap about it? It looks gorgeous ad cinematic.
Yeah, for me it looked cheap. The saucer crash being the biggest moment that needed to be redone. I will give them credit for shot of the D warping away from the station.

Could be down to the fact that they used modified TNG sets and the familiarity of 7 years plays into my opinion.
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Old February 10 2014, 06:54 PM   #13
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Yes, the FX do actually hold up quite well. It's still the worst Trek movie by some margin though.
Well, I can't agree with that. To paraphrase Sheldon Cooper: The Final Frontier is orders of magnitude worse than Nemesis.

Nemesis is a deeply flawed movie, but I still find it pretty watchable (much moreso than Insurrection). And yes, I agree, the movie LOOKS great and the effects hold up well, even on Blu-Ray.
Personally, I'd take TFF over Nemesis in a heartbeat. For all its flaws, TFF has tremendous heart, classic TOS Kirk/Spock/Bones character moments, and, it's LIVELY - with a real sense of energy injected by Shatner's (underrated) directorial style.

Nemesis, on the other hand, feels horribly flat, dull and just, well, perfunctory. It's a cliché, but the performances really do seem "phoned in". To me, the actors often come across as if they're completely disengaged with the material.
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Old February 10 2014, 07:21 PM   #14
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Its Insurrection that looks the "cheapest" of the TNG films, in my opinion
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Old February 10 2014, 08:08 PM   #15
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Wow. For a film that was released in 2002, the special effects have really held up.
2002 is not really a cinematographic ancient time.
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