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Old January 13 2014, 09:58 PM   #121
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Re: Sherlock - Series 3

A thought just occurred to me. Anderson's appearance at Baker Street in this episode is a stark contrast to his previous visit way back in "A Study in Pink." Both times he's a willing, eager participant to someone else's drive against Sherlock, but his motivations for being there are completely opposite.
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Old January 13 2014, 10:27 PM   #122
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To be honest I actually expected Watson to pull the gun and shoot Magnusson rather than Sherlock.
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Old January 14 2014, 01:54 AM   #123
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I can't believe they killed Mary off at the wedding. that's so cold...poor John
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Old January 14 2014, 08:58 AM   #124
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To be honest I actually expected Watson to pull the gun and shoot Magnusson rather than Sherlock.
It was obvious that the information needed to be destroyed and because it was only contained in CAM's mind palace, removing the head or destroying the brain was the only way to actually do that and I was expecting Watson to shoot CAM when he started flicking him in the face.

Looking back on series three and actually having all the pieces, unlike series one and two which were more covertly linked with Moriarty in the back ground, in series three, the same could be said with CAM, but the three episodes feel more overtly linked and I'm sure it was someone here and not a newspaper review yesterday that said it was nice for Sherlock's return, the ramifications of said return for John and then John's new relationship to bed in properly across the four-and-half-hours.

Roll on the BluRay of the three series next week and time for a massive rewatch of all nine episodes and try and get a screen capture of all of Sherlock's pressure points.
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Old January 14 2014, 09:48 AM   #125
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Yes looking forward to be able to see all of CAM's on screen info (I could have just paused/rewound the telly of course but I didn't want to slow the momentum!)
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Old January 14 2014, 10:43 AM   #126
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To be honest I actually expected Watson to pull the gun and shoot Magnusson rather than Sherlock.
It was actually very much building to that - strange that they then had Sherlock do it.

Sherlock is many things, but not a murderer, though he's perfectly capable of letting someone die. Watson is a doctor, but he's also a soldier, and so prepared to kill when necessary - and, hell, he shot the guy in the very first episode.
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Old January 14 2014, 11:09 AM   #127
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I guess Watson had more to lose than Sherlock. Shotting the guy in the first episode was something that might have been hard to prove, this would have been difficult to hush up given Mycroft and a load of soldiers were watching.
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Old January 14 2014, 11:20 AM   #128
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I was discussing this, as well as what I said earlier with the missus when she was getting ready for work.

The reason why she thinks Sherlock and not John shot CAM was because of his wedding vow, he would always be there for him and I don't think he thought John would actually shoot CAM even though he had the gun.
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Old January 14 2014, 12:36 PM   #129
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It was obvious that the information needed to be destroyed and because it was only contained in CAM's mind palace, removing the head or destroying the brain was the only way to actually do that and I was expecting Watson to shoot CAM when he started flicking him in the face.
Had it been me, I'd have shot him as soon as he went into his little white room, sat down, and tapped his head. I was a little disappointed with how long it took Sherlock and Watson to come to the logical conclusion.
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Old January 14 2014, 01:59 PM   #130
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Roll on the BluRay of the three series next week and time for a massive rewatch of all nine episodes and try and get a screen capture of all of Sherlock's pressure points.
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Yes looking forward to be able to see all of CAM's on screen info (I could have just paused/rewound the telly of course but I didn't want to slow the momentum!)
Despite not wanting to slow down the momentum, I had to pause for each of them because I wanted to see all of the information right there and then.

Interestingly, while it's made to look like CAM is scrolling through a long list of pressure points for Sherlock, there are actually only half a dozen or so. From memory (because I'm at work and can't check right now): Irene Adler, John Watson, opium, Redbeard. I know there were at least a couple of more, but that was it. The same list was just repeated ad naseum.

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I was discussing this, as well as what I said earlier with the missus when she was getting ready for work.

The reason why she thinks Sherlock and not John shot CAM was because of his wedding vow, he would always be there for him and I don't think he thought John would actually shoot CAM even though he had the gun.
This is how I saw it from the get go and I'm actually surprised that so many people were thrown off by Sherlock doing it. I guess it helps that I knew the title for this episode going into "The Sign of Three," so the moment I heard Sherlock's declaration, I knew that was going to be a big pay off in this episode.
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Old January 14 2014, 02:22 PM   #131
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It was obvious that the information needed to be destroyed and because it was only contained in CAM's mind palace, removing the head or destroying the brain was the only way to actually do that and I was expecting Watson to shoot CAM when he started flicking him in the face.
Had it been me, I'd have shot him as soon as he went into his little white room, sat down, and tapped his head. I was a little disappointed with how long it took Sherlock and Watson to come to the logical conclusion.
Not half - I spent almost the whole 90 minutes saying to my wife "somebody should just shoot the cunt; problem solved."
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Old January 14 2014, 02:25 PM   #132
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Roll on the BluRay of the three series next week and time for a massive rewatch of all nine episodes and try and get a screen capture of all of Sherlock's pressure points.
There are just six of them, and you can guess almost all of them (it was the same list scrolling over and over).

Mrs Hudson's scan was more interesting.
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Old January 14 2014, 03:04 PM   #133
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Lonemagpie wrote: View Post
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It was obvious that the information needed to be destroyed and because it was only contained in CAM's mind palace, removing the head or destroying the brain was the only way to actually do that and I was expecting Watson to shoot CAM when he started flicking him in the face.
Had it been me, I'd have shot him as soon as he went into his little white room, sat down, and tapped his head. I was a little disappointed with how long it took Sherlock and Watson to come to the logical conclusion.
Not half - I spent almost the whole 90 minutes saying to my wife "somebody should just shoot the cunt; problem solved."
Don't even have to shoot him, if folks are squeamish. The right amount of domoic acid will take care of his faultless memory.
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Old January 14 2014, 06:05 PM   #134
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Re: Sherlock - Series 3

When I saw Mary at CAM's penthouse, I assumed that she would shoot him and the remainder of the episode would be Sherlock and Watson diverting police attention away from her, with the end result of Watson moving back in with Holmes and Mary on the run again. Of course, the baby complicates matters and the conclusion we did get was far more true to the characters, IMHO.

I read somewhere that Watson should thank Sherlock for training him to forgive people, and that's not far off.
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Old January 14 2014, 08:20 PM   #135
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That "3 second" mind palace self rescue of Sherlock belongs somewhere among the most awesome moments of television!
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