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Old January 8 2014, 02:54 AM   #31
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^^ I seem to recall, the Enterprise shot Reliant's nacelle with both weapons.
Yep.
I've always wondered why they felt the need to torpedo that nacelle (other than to look freaking awesome!!!). The phasers fried the nacelle... it's useless. Given that torpedoes are in limited supply, why not hit an undamaged section of the ship... heck maybe sever the OTHER nacelle to show you mean business. Of course then we wouldn't get the subsequent equally awesome footage of Reliant listing starboard.
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Old January 8 2014, 03:05 AM   #32
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Of course then we wouldn't get the subsequent equally awesome footage of Reliant listing starboard.
Yeah...that, and the burning steel wool sparkly effects from the damage. Good stuff!
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Old January 8 2014, 04:45 AM   #33
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^^ I seem to recall, the Enterprise shot Reliant's nacelle with both weapons.
Yep.
I've always wondered why they felt the need to torpedo that nacelle (other than to look freaking awesome!!!). The phasers fried the nacelle... it's useless. Given that torpedoes are in limited supply, why not hit an undamaged section of the ship... heck maybe sever the OTHER nacelle to show you mean business. Of course then we wouldn't get the subsequent equally awesome footage of Reliant listing starboard.
Maybe the torpedo was just "fired" at Reliant and just happened to hit the Nacelle?

It's pretty much the way naval torpedoes work - give them a bearing and fire them and they run in the direction of the target with little differentiation between amidships or the propellers for example.
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Old January 8 2014, 05:01 PM   #34
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The steerable target seeking Torpedos were apparently not issued until ST6
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Old January 8 2014, 05:33 PM   #35
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The steerable target seeking Torpedos were apparently not issued until ST6
And then only because it was modified.
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Old January 8 2014, 06:05 PM   #36
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Or the torpedo guidance systems were damaged at some point and/or compromised by virtue of being in the nebula at the time.
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Old January 8 2014, 07:28 PM   #37
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I've always wondered why they felt the need to torpedo that nacelle
If Khan had defeated the Enterprise in battle, Khan then would have a repairable, warp capable ship and genesis.

By depriving the Reliant of one of her engines, Kirk could have marooned Khan in that area, he'd only have sublight speeds. Kirk in torpedoing that engine was looking at his fall back position.

That's assuming Reliant needed both engines to achieve warp.

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Kirk could have marooned Khan in that area,
Boy, would Khan be pissed
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I've always wondered why they felt the need to torpedo that nacelle
If Khan had defeated the Enterprise in battle, Khan then would have a repairable, warp capable ship and genesis.

By depriving the Reliant of one of her engines, Kirk could have marooned Khan in that area, he'd only have sublight speeds. Kirk in torpedoing that engine was looking at his fall back position.

That's assuming Reliant needed both engines to achieve warp.

Very much doubt the damage done to the Nacelle by the phaser shot could have been repaired by Khan and his crew without access to starbase or similar.

The damage to the field coils would have been catastrophic an irreparable.
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Old January 9 2014, 04:20 AM   #40
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I've always wondered why they felt the need to torpedo that nacelle
If Khan had defeated the Enterprise in battle, Khan then would have a repairable, warp capable ship and genesis.

By depriving the Reliant of one of her engines, Kirk could have marooned Khan in that area, he'd only have sublight speeds. Kirk in torpedoing that engine was looking at his fall back position.

That's assuming Reliant needed both engines to achieve warp.

Very much doubt the damage done to the Nacelle by the phaser shot could have been repaired by Khan and his crew without access to starbase or similar.

The damage to the field coils would have been catastrophic an irreparable.
Agreed. The phaser shot gut-fried that nacelle. IMO the torpedo should have severed the other one.

But don't get me wrong... I LOVE this scene.
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Old January 9 2014, 12:28 PM   #41
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^^^ Well, one more reason why Chekov is an idiot.
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Old January 9 2014, 12:46 PM   #42
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^^ Good points. It would almost seem that a photon torpedo is a good choice of weapon when you want to hit something and have a large area of damage opposite to a precision slicing phaser beam.

With the torpedo bay gunners disabled or killed Chekov aimed for Reliant's hard-to-miss weapons' pod but destroying the port warp nacelle required precision firing, hence phasers?

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^^ I seem to recall, the Enterprise shot Reliant's nacelle with both weapons.
I always thought the phaser shot seemed like a mistake by the effects team, since the dialog implied they were just firing torpedoes.
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Under the circumstances I'd hardly fault Our Heroes for not taking any chances.
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