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Old August 28 2013, 03:52 AM   #1
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Khan Side By Side Review

Does anyone have handy or a link reference to a side by side visual comparison of the blu-ray and older DVD versions of Wrath of Khan?

I'm debating purchasing the blu-ray but would like to see the differences, particularly the much maligned changes in coloring and DNR before I commit.
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Old August 28 2013, 04:58 AM   #2
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Re: Khan Side By Side Review

I just found this ranomly while googling, it's a link to another message board. It also compares the VHS and online (Netflix, etc.).

I didn't look at it thoroughly, but I did skim it, looks pretty intersting:


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Old August 28 2013, 07:11 AM   #3
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Re: Khan Side By Side Review

^ I think the trouble with that AVS forum comparison is that it uses the 2009 DVD. Which was released using essentially the same remastered print as used on the BD disc (although obviously at a lower resolution). It's not quite as stark a difference as it would have been to, say, compare the earlier released two-disc Collector's Edition of TWOK to the BD release.
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Old August 28 2013, 12:56 PM   #4
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Re: Khan Side By Side Review

Thanks for the link.... for the benefit of those not willing to follow:

Originally Posted by DavidHir

Imagic, cool thread!

Some have claimed the original color timing has changed for the Blu-ray; any thoughts or information on this? My thinking is the previous home versions had incorrect color pushing too much red. The Blu-ray really does look excellent and extremely film-like (wish the rest of the Trek movies looked like this).


This was my take:
Quote: "Watching the Blu-ray presentation was a genuine pleasure. The film holds up well—after 31 years, colors still pop and everything looks sharp. The Blu-ray itself is a remastered edition with a distinctly cooler look to it. I've seen this referred to as "the teal look." Personally, I think it looks color accurate, while the original version has a distinct reddish hue to it."
While this is helpful, I'd really like to see a side by side of this effect, compared with the 2-disc DE, which I own.
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Old August 29 2013, 03:29 AM   #5
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Re: Khan Side By Side Review

This very topic came up earlier this summer.

Here's a link to different versions including the DE DVD, and a satellite HD broadcast with pre-2009 color timing changes:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1146477/st...#post_16443616
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Old August 29 2013, 02:29 PM   #6
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Re: Khan Side By Side Review

SpHeRe31459 wrote: View Post
This very topic came up earlier this summer.

Here's a link to different versions including the DE DVD, and a satellite HD broadcast with pre-2009 color timing changes:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1146477/st...#post_16443616
YES. This is what I've been looking for. Thank you!
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Old August 29 2013, 06:53 PM   #7
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TWOK was the worst Blu-Ray transfer I've ever seen. Everything looks blue and washed out. Even Regula looks blue
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Old August 29 2013, 07:26 PM   #8
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TWOK was the worst Blu-Ray transfer I've ever seen. Everything looks blue and washed out. Even Regula looks blue
Amen--the blue was a mess--all the careful restoration down the drain by turning the the blue/cyan up to ELEVEN!

What a freakin' joke--if you click on that link above---the first image is from spock's death scene in TWOK.

There are 4 images from 4 different formats.
The overuse of blue in the final image of the Blu-ray transfer slaps you accross the face!
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Old August 30 2013, 01:53 PM   #9
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TWOK was the worst Blu-Ray transfer I've ever seen. Everything looks blue and washed out. Even Regula looks blue
Amen--the blue was a mess--all the careful restoration down the drain by turning the the blue/cyan up to ELEVEN!

What a freakin' joke--if you click on that link above---the first image is from spock's death scene in TWOK.

There are 4 images from 4 different formats.
The overuse of blue in the final image of the Blu-ray transfer slaps you accross the face!
Does anyone have a side by side of Regula? If true, that WOULD be a reason not to buy.
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Old August 30 2013, 02:05 PM   #10
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Does anyone have a side by side of Regula? If true, that WOULD be a reason not to buy.
Not a side by side, but up and down.

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Old August 30 2013, 02:24 PM   #11
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Re: Khan Side By Side Review

^^^
Thank you Jeyl!!!

Holy (profanity in profusion)!

What the (more profanity) were they thinking?!?!

This isn't TWOK... this is a new movie. Nimoy states in an interview or commentary at some point that TWOK is about strong emotions, particularly friendship and anger. It is supposed to be a 'hot' film. Now it appears to have been whitewashed, or soaked in cool ranch dressing.

So one last bit of reactionary melodrama... is that space lab regula one or V'Ger? Didn't we just have a grey and blue movie in TMP?
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Old August 30 2013, 04:31 PM   #12
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austen_pierce wrote: View Post
^^^
Thank you Jeyl!!!

Holy (profanity in profusion)!

What the (more profanity) were they thinking?!?!

This isn't TWOK... this is a new movie. Nimoy states in an interview or commentary at some point that TWOK is about strong emotions, particularly friendship and anger. It is supposed to be a 'hot' film. Now it appears to have been whitewashed, or soaked in cool ranch dressing.

So one last bit of reactionary melodrama... is that space lab regula one or V'Ger? Didn't we just have a grey and blue movie in TMP?

Holy %^&#$!@@*())^%, that is worse than I remember it.

Amazingly, there are some folks who say the blue version of Regula is EXACTLY how it looked in the theater 31 years ago!

But I have now read at least 5 different posts from people who have seen vintage prints stating, yes regula is red/brown in vintage 35mm prints!

Please fix this next time Paramount! The restoration was great now fix the color and give us the Director's cut and deleted scenes!
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Old August 31 2013, 04:39 PM   #13
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I stopped reading the review the second time I saw "Start Trek".
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Old September 1 2013, 08:44 PM   #14
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Re: Khan Side By Side Review

I really want to see TWOK on Blu-Ray. After sleeping on these images, I've decided that my desire to have the film in high definition outweighs my reaction to these images, so I' going to buy. After all, I very much doubt we're going to get a color-corrected version of the film anytime soon.

I do think that my eyes are going to adjust to the blue and when I take my eyes off the screen the real world is going to look orange. That's going to be weird.

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Old September 2 2013, 12:28 AM   #15
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austen_pierce wrote: View Post
I really want to see TWOK on Blu-Ray. After sleeping on these imaged, I've decided that my desire to have the film in high definition outweighs my reaction to these images, so I' going to buy. After all, I very much doubt we're going to get a color-corrected version of the film anytime soon.

I do think that my eyes are going to adjust to the blue and when I take my eyes off the screen the real world is going to look orange. That's going to be weird.
100% agree - color correctness not that important to Blu-ray
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