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Old December 28 2013, 09:42 PM   #16
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Re: 'Relics': missed opportunity?

I'm not a big fan of this episode for a number of reasons, but the Matt Franklin thing is not one of them. As others have pointed out, no one would have accepted that a character we know or love was killed, off camera, in a transporter accident.

It may seem nitpicky, but for me, one of the biggest issues with this episode is Scotty seemingly seriously advising Geordi that he should lie to his captain about repair times. They took what was an obvious joke between friends in TSFS (when Scotty says "eight weeks, sir, but you don't have eight weeks, so I'll do it for you in two") and takes it seriously. Really did a disservice to Scotty's character, IMHO.
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Old December 28 2013, 09:47 PM   #17
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^Yeah, that one always bugged me a little, too. My take on the TSFS joke was that Scotty was just that good at knowing how to cut corners that he could reduce the repair time to a quarter of what it would take "by the book".
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Old December 28 2013, 09:55 PM   #18
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I figured Scotty was still kidding, stating some serious advice in a joking way. The advice being to always build an engineer's safety margin into time estimates just like you would build a safety margin into your usage numbers for a piece of equipment. It makes you look good when you beat your estimate, and keeps you from looking incompetent when you fail to meet one. I do this at work, and it is good advice!
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Old December 28 2013, 10:08 PM   #19
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You know, I'm not even sure we *needed* a "Matt Franklin." He was essentially "red-shirted", I guess, to show how dangerous and risky Scotty's messing with the transporter was? But the character is all but forgotten, save for one line a minute or two later, as soon as we learn his pattern degraded in the buffer. Seems to me a better explanation or hand-waving could have been used to explain why the transporter diagnostic cycle was risky and not something that could be done again. Hell, say it worked because of the massive gravity field of the Dyson Sphere or something.

It's just kind of, straining, a bit that of the two patterns locked in the buffer the one that didn't make it just happened to be that of someone who didn't mean anything to us. TNG didn't use the "Ensign Ricky" trope very often (it did have its fair-share of "yellow-shirts" but it was hardly a case where an away team of main cast members and two unknowns would beam into the dangerous situation every week like in TOS) this is one of those cases where it did and, oy, it just doesn't work.
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Old December 28 2013, 10:30 PM   #20
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Could've been passable if they'd used someone like Saavik or Carol Marcus, or someone else of lesser consequence, but I agree it wasn't really a worthwhile effort
As I said, every character has their fans. You might believe Saavik or Carol are of "no consequence", but starting "Relics" with the off-screen death of Saavik would have totally derailed the episode for Saavik appreciators.

(Of course, the arrival of Scotty derailed the Dyson Sphere. Even when a TNG novel investigated the Dyson Sphere, it was kinda derailed by a completely solid Starfleet vessel being casually hollowed out by its Horta crew.)

I am reminded of my own minor outrage when Garrovick, a particular favourite of mine, whom I'd used in fanfic, was announced as having just been killed in the movie-era novel, "Home is the Hunter". I still enjoyed the book, but what an awful way to start a story: using a known character as an offscreen redshirt death. With little followup, other than Kirk's moodiness.

At least Tasha's onscreen death had a heartfelt payoff with her funeral and eulogy.

By the way, the "Relics" novelization does introduce us to Ensign Franklin, who has straw-yellow hair, and the book gives some other nice bonus scenes (including another scene of a holographic reunion for Scotty with his old bridge crew, which would have been included in the episode if time and money had allowed).
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Matt_Franklin
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Old December 28 2013, 10:47 PM   #21
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AFAIK Picard's mother could very well have been British. :P
We met Picard's memory of his maman ("mummy") in an early TNG episode. She seemed very French to me:

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Yvette_Gessard_Picard
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Old December 29 2013, 12:33 AM   #22
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AFAIK Picard's mother could very well have been British. :P
We met Picard's memory of his maman ("mummy") in an early TNG episode. She seemed very French to me:

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Yvette_Gessard_Picard
True. According to Memory Alpha, Picard's mother also spoke with a distinct French accent, while his father and his brother spoke with an English accent. So, it's probably Picard's father who must have had some kind of British background (the mother of Picard's father being British? ).
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Old December 29 2013, 12:50 AM   #23
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So, it's probably Picard's father who must have had some kind of British background (the mother of Picard's father being British? ).
I have twin cousins who went from Australia to London on working holidays in the early 1980s. They were away almost two years. Now in their 50s, one has deliberately retained the English accent she picked up there. The other quickly reverted to a typical Aussie accent.
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Old December 29 2013, 02:53 AM   #24
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And just who would that have been that died in the transporter for that one-off scene? Chekov? Sulu? Uhura?

"Matt Franklin" was chosen precisely because it was no one we would have cared about. The episode was about Scotty, not about someone else that we have an emotional attachment to just being told that they're dead.
But they had all been dead by the time anyways.
How can you be sure of that? McCoy and Spock lived through the intervening years the hard way, after all.
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Old December 29 2013, 03:12 AM   #25
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And just who would that have been that died in the transporter for that one-off scene? Chekov? Sulu? Uhura?

"Matt Franklin" was chosen precisely because it was no one we would have cared about. The episode was about Scotty, not about someone else that we have an emotional attachment to just being told that they're dead.
But they had all been dead by the time anyways.
How can you be sure of that? McCoy and Spock lived through the intervening years the hard way, after all.
McCoy, presumably, would've been on the extreme end of a human life span. Spock would pretty much be middle-aged.
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Old December 29 2013, 05:04 AM   #26
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That's not the missed opportunity in "Relics."

Exploring the Dyson Sphere is the missed opportunity for me. I mean, the stuff with Scotty was nice and nostalgic and all, but why waste a Dyson Sphere on that?

Hell, a Dyson Sphere merited a multi-part arc -- discovery, exploration, and eventually discovery of the builders.

As nostalgia, "Relics" is great. As science-fiction, "Relics" missed the mark.
Hell yes! This is my exact complaint about this episode! I would have loved to see some epic story about the exploration of the sphere "Halo" style.

If TPTB had been smart, they would have made a high budget movie ala nuTrek to follow up on it, before Bungie and Microsoft beat them to it.
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Old December 29 2013, 06:09 AM   #27
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And just who would that have been that died in the transporter for that one-off scene? Chekov? Sulu? Uhura?

"Matt Franklin" was chosen precisely because it was no one we would have cared about. The episode was about Scotty, not about someone else that we have an emotional attachment to just being told that they're dead.
But they had all been dead by the time anyways.
You misunderstood me. When the Jenolan crashed and Scotty and Matt Franklin went into the pattern buffer, Chekov, Sulu and Uhura were very much alive. That's the OP's point: he wanted a known character instead of Franklin.
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Old December 29 2013, 06:54 AM   #28
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No, I am not in favor of established Trek characters being pointlessly killed, especially off-screen. Generations had some of that (Picard's brother and nephew, and Kirk) which I felt ruined the movie, and left a sour taste in many fans' mouths.

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Old December 29 2013, 08:12 AM   #29
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Should have been Leiutenant Leslie.

"What about Leslie? He was right there in the transporter with me."

"I'm sorry, he didn't make it."

"Bloody hell... that's the second time the bastard's snuffed it, I'll have to clone another one now."
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Old December 29 2013, 12:24 PM   #30
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That's not the missed opportunity in "Relics."
For me its that Colm Meaney isn't in it. Scotty, La Forge and O'Brien could have had one scene together.
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