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Old November 19 2013, 04:26 PM   #1
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Destiny Trilogy - Totally awesome (spoilers)

Just finished the Destiny Trilogy and, as the thread title says, they were toally awesome.

I definitely did not see the "Origin of the Borgs" line coming until it (almost) explicitly said so.

I don't want to be a cy ...
Borg

At over 900 pages it was a little long. David Mack seems to like to describe things down to the minute details.
Nevertheless, it is a must read for all.
Completely changes the ST universe.

The only smallish problem I had was references to events in books I had not read. However, I managed to figure out what had happened and it didn't spoil the read.

Singular Destiny here I come!
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Old November 19 2013, 05:35 PM   #2
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Re: Destiny Trilogy - Totally awesome (spoilers)

I'm rereading the Destiny trilogy it takes awhile to read through all 3 books.When it comes to the origins of the borg it's was a real suprising storyarc twist you totally didn't expect in this series of books.
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Old November 19 2013, 09:35 PM   #3
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Re: Destiny Trilogy - Totally awesome (spoilers)

Now that you've read Destiny and enjoyed it, does this make you want to go back and read the older novels? DS9, TNG, Titan, etc. I'm curious because with sci-fi I'm always going back to get a complete picture.
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Old November 19 2013, 10:18 PM   #4
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Re: Destiny Trilogy - Totally awesome (spoilers)

Well, there is no DS9 for me to go back and read. Already read them all.
TNG was never my fav so I'll have to think about it.
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Old November 19 2013, 10:19 PM   #5
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Re: Destiny Trilogy - Totally awesome (spoilers)

I'd drifted away from Treklit after several decades of following. It was Destiny that reignited my interest and got me into the relaunch, but to be honest I am not a big fan of the Destiny story. I like Mr Macks stuff, in fact some of it is amongst my favourite Treklit, but Destinys origin/fate of the Borg is rather predictable and I found the Caeliar tedious.

Check out his Cold Equations trilogy. It's better...
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Old November 19 2013, 10:59 PM   #6
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Re: Destiny Trilogy - Totally awesome (spoilers)

^^^
Funny you should say that.
I found that though the story was great Mack tended to over-describe everything.
Kinda reminds me of Peter Hamilton's style.

Sometimes you want more left to the imagination.
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Old November 19 2013, 11:49 PM   #7
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I'm pretty cold on the Destiny trilogy.

Didn't like anything to do with the Caeliar & their story thread (especially deanna's behaviour), the aventine or the resolution of the conflict(would have preferred a "the return" style resolution that would have enabled the borg to have carried on, but in different factions that could have had big differences). Also I disliked the Thalaron conversation between geordi & picard. Geordi's side I get, but picard backing down given the situation felt pretty absurd and really broke me out of the story.

I loved the exploration through the subspace tunnels though, that was a lot of fun.
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Old November 20 2013, 01:04 AM   #8
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Re: Destiny Trilogy - Totally awesome (spoilers)

I thought the Caeliar/Erika story was the best thing ever written in TrekLit. I know it's not the main crew going on random adventure 149, but it was Star Trek at the core.
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Old November 20 2013, 09:56 AM   #9
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^^^
Yep. Me too.
And, at the risk of repeating myself, I thought the Borg tie-in was awesome.

It slight contradicts the Voy episode The Omega Directive. There Seven clearly states that the Borg have known of the Omega Particle only 229 years from the assimilation of species two six two whereas in the book it is implied that they have been searching for it forever.
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Old November 20 2013, 03:50 PM   #10
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Totally Awesome, indeed.

I only followed the Titan series before and since Destiny and absolutely loved it. I consider it the peak of the series and all Trek lit I have read in all my years.

My favorite arcs were, of course, Titan, followed by the Aventine and Erika arcs with the TNG arc coming in last, I've never cared much for Picard or any of the TNG crew besides Riker and Deanna.
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Old November 22 2013, 02:17 PM   #11
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I have never read Titan books.
One of the reasons being that I have concentrated on the DS9R books. Nearly 30 books in a year - not bad.

Problem is, that I am not a great fan of TNG. Always found the characters to be a little too perfect.
DS9 is definitely more fun - especially Ezri(!). I know I am in the minority but as far as I am concerned Jadzia is not even in the same league.
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Old November 22 2013, 02:32 PM   #12
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^^ They are not perfect in the TNGR, at all. Partly because some of the early TNGR (Death in Winter, Resistance, Before Dishonour) are not really that good, but also because the later novels (maybe from Greater than the Sum, and especially since Destiny) have done good analytic work on these characters. Also you should check out the TNGR/Nemesis prologue series, if interested, a series called A Time to. In that, again, our aging heroes flaws are often front and centre, but it suffers in the early volumes from the evil admiral trope and some silly plotting. Just skip to A Time for to Kill (by David Mack, it's a perfect adventure story with flawed characters), carry on with A Time to Heal (which is an analogy for Iraq or the Balkans, if you wish to read it that way, again by Mack), and finish with A Time for War, A Time for Peace (by Keith DeCandido, not always the best writer, but often fun. I have my issues with the story since reading it, but it's a great first time read).
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Old December 8 2013, 11:47 AM   #13
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Totally needed to update this thread, because of it I reread Destiny.... I had forgotten how good the series is. This was the first time I managed a reread though since I read it in 2009. Oh so much of it remains so good - the Columbia story in particular, although Major Foyle felt a little too evil, a little too unexplained; the introduction of the Aventine (and somehow Bowers was more fun this time, less suddenly militaristic in my mind - perhaps because of the continuity of the more playful or emotional sides of him seen in Brinkmanship and A Ceremony of Losses as well as the DS9 relaunch); the 'death factory'; the Hirogen attack; the assault on the scout ship; the repeated 'last moments' of various screen and lit characters; and especially the greater racial complexity of the Federation (seen on all the ships, on Earth, and most of all on Deneva in Tuvok's son and his wife - that is something I really did not like in Losing the Peace [a novel I really enjoyed otherwise] was how human Deneva suddenly was, how segregated the Federation worlds were).

Some of it felt more problematic - the balance between what was focused on in the three TNG-era ships felt more off. I'm not sure I can substantiate that feeling, except that Titan felt like a Titan novel (with more POVs, more the signature Titan things like the counsellors, the more varied characters, and so on), the TNG element only really focused on Picard, Worf & Choudhoury and Kadohata (as well as proper Mack sub-characters like Guidice, with the same occuring for the Aventine), and the Aventine elements Ezri, Kedair and, to a much lesser extent, Dr Tarses. But this is a huge crossover, so of course the elements would be out of balance and the work on each ship was great, as well as with Bacco & Akaar and other cameos like Martok & the admirals.
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Old December 12 2013, 02:54 PM   #14
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If I had to imagine what a Star Trek Lord of the rings style epic movie trilogy on the big screen would look like, I think the Destiny trilogy, would fit the bill.
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Old December 13 2013, 04:19 PM   #15
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Agreed - if they were to have ever made a giant crossover filmed miniseries this would've been great.
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