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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old December 26 2013, 08:31 PM   #16
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Re: What Happened to Nimoy's Voice?

Voicing for a cartoon isn't ADR. That's just voice acting, and if you stick any actor alone with a tape recorder chances are you're not going to get good results since there's no director and no other actors to play off.

In ADR you are listening to playback of the scene you performed on the set and trying to match it, so sure, it's possible Nimoy couldn't recreate his on-set performance, or maybe the director in ADR session asked for something different or picked bad takes.

The most noticeable Trek ADR to me is in TWOK when Khan says, "You mean he never told you the tale? To amuse your Captain, no?" where the sound quality is utterly different on the italicized text. It sound like Khan is suddenly speaking over a telephone line.
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Old December 26 2013, 09:18 PM   #17
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In TOS Nimoy often sounds like his nose is plugged up, you can immediately tell if its a "Spock has a cold" episode.
The funny thing is I always liked the "Spock has a cold" voice.
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Old December 27 2013, 06:20 PM   #18
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It's funny, this Nimoy/cold business, because during TNG season 2, Stewart kept sounding like that to me, to the point where I was wondering if he had a coke problem or something (nobody's probably ever drawn this comparison before, but he reminded me of Heather Thomas' voice during the TJ HOOKER she did, which is when she was doing a ton of blow, apparently.)
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Old December 28 2013, 07:17 PM   #19
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Re: What Happened to Nimoy's Voice?

Funnily enough, re the reference to Nimoy's looping ability, I ran across this today while posting a new topic:
A FAN NEWS COLUMN BY SUSAN SACKETT

STAR TREK REPORT

Filming the Klingons' Destruction


<snip> Recently, the principal cast has been
returning to the Paramount lot for looping
sessions. Film editor Todd Ramsey was very
impressed with Leonard Nimoy's skill at
synchronization, remarking that the actor
was one of the most professional he had ever
worked with. <snip>

STARLOG MAGAZINE
#27
OCTOBER 1979
p.31
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Old December 28 2013, 07:23 PM   #20
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I'm probably overanalyzing the hell out of this!
In Star Trek fandom, there is no such thing as "over" anything.
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Old December 29 2013, 12:25 AM   #21
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And by the time TMP came around, nobody had to work that hard anymore to "sell" the show, as they had with the series.
Sorry, that sounds like you're accusing professional actors (and directors) of deliberately phoning in their performances.
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Old December 29 2013, 01:59 AM   #22
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Re: What Happened to Nimoy's Voice?

Nimoy drank heavily throughout TOS. The "deep voice" scenes were probably the ones filmed first thing in the morning.

Imagine being so talented that you could pull off a performance as good as Nimoy's Spock with a force 10 hangover.

I have no idea what this "talking around dentures" is all about. Anyone care to elaborate and provide an example in a specific scene?
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Old December 29 2013, 02:07 AM   #23
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The whole briefing in TUC.

I mean, it is either dentures or amazingly sloppy filmmaking to let his diction and delivery go as 'off' as it seems to be for me.
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Old December 29 2013, 07:37 AM   #24
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The whole briefing in TUC.

I mean, it is either dentures or amazingly sloppy filmmaking to let his diction and delivery go as 'off' as it seems to be for me.
Yep that whole scene and certainly his appearance in ST 2009. He's got a bit of the Sean Connery (my dentures are ill-fitting) thing going on.
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Old December 29 2013, 01:04 PM   #25
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And by the time TMP came around, nobody had to work that hard anymore to "sell" the show, as they had with the series.
Sorry, that sounds like you're accusing professional actors (and directors) of deliberately phoning in their performances.
No, not at all, good sir. In fact ...

TMP offered everyone in the cast a way out of their failing careers and a path to stardom. Nobody was going to phone in TMP. Bored performances can be found in VOYAGE HOME, FINAL FRONTIER and UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY. But, when TMP came around, STAR TREK had found broad acceptance and there was no need - as there was with the series - to convince audiences that this was series science fiction. Nimoy didn't have to push "Spock Mode" anymore, for people to understand that he was meant to be an alien. It was enough to just de-energize and sound calm and rational. Talking so formally was no longer required. What's more, this was a decade after the series ended. He may have not been able to deliver TOS-styled Spock, anymore. TAS certainly would seem to suggest that ...
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Old December 29 2013, 02:19 PM   #26
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I have no idea what this "talking around dentures" is all about. Anyone care to elaborate and provide an example in a specific scene?
Its all about mewdinny in the galakshee.
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Old December 29 2013, 02:29 PM   #27
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Re: What Happened to Nimoy's Voice?

"Obsession" was on Me-TV last night...couldn't help but think of this thread, as it sounded like Kirk and Spock both had colds....
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Old December 29 2013, 03:16 PM   #28
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I have no idea what this "talking around dentures" is all about. Anyone care to elaborate and provide an example in a specific scene?
The first Spock Prime scene in the 2009 movie. A few times it almost looks like Nimoy is in pain trying to keep his teeth in.

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STAR TREK had found broad acceptance and there was no need - as there was with the series - to convince audiences that this was series science fiction. Nimoy didn't have to push "Spock Mode" anymore, for people to understand that he was meant to be an alien.
Huh?

The "broad acceptance" of Trek had absolutely nothing to do with how Nimoy and his directors chose to have him deliver lines.
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Old December 29 2013, 03:59 PM   #29
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What's more, this was a decade after the series ended. He may have not been able to deliver TOS-styled Spock, anymore. TAS certainly would seem to suggest that ...
Huh? I think Nimoy's very cool, deadpan performance in TAS is closer to his third-season interpretation of Spock than his later movie performances are. And the only TOS cast members who gave good performances in TAS were those with prior voice acting experience, like Doohan and Takei (and Nichols through her singing experience). The production and the recording process were so rushed that the actors didn't really get a lot of direction, so those without voice experience didn't have any guidance in how to do it effectively.

Of course, the whole point of TMP was that Spock underwent a fundamental change in his worldview. He initially tried to be more cold and emotionless than ever, but then realized that emotion had value and should be accepted. And in the final act of the movie and all his subsequent performances as Spock, Nimoy has played the character more expressively, as the more mature and serene version of Spock who manages his emotions but no longer fears or represses them. So it's not that he "forgot" how to play Spock. He evolved the character.

Although it does seem to me that in his two most recent, post-retirement screen appearances in the Abrams films, he hasn't really been playing Spock at all; he's just come in and been Leonard Nimoy.
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Old December 29 2013, 10:24 PM   #30
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Interesting take of his appearances on the last two films, Christopher. There may be some truth to that.
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