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Old December 28 2013, 11:57 PM   #31
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Re: "If it appeared on screen, it's canon." THIS is canon?!?

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This is why I'm glad GR never got to officially pick and choose which episodes/movies count and which don't. The guy seemed intent on reimagining the Trek universe, at the cost of what made it great in the first place.
Well, but he did. For the first couple of seasons of TNG anyway. And for the duration TMP was produced.

Then again, "canon" only holds actual relevance for people actively involved in the production of new Trek. If any writer had tried to insert something GR regarded apocryphal during the first season of TNG, he or she would have almost certainly been forbidden to do so by Roddenberry. Nevertheless, Roddenberry-unrelated stuff like Star Trek V: The Final Frontier was still being produced and distributed by Paramount.

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Old December 29 2013, 01:10 AM   #32
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However, no one was forced or ordered to undergo brainwashing in ST V. The basic premise (everyone suffers from some trauma) is debatable itself, but that Kirk was the only one to stand against it (and not McCoy) is just too hard to believe, IMHO.
Not at all, because Kirk is and always was the Big Damn Hero on TOS. The crew in general were brainwashed or otherwise under alien influences on several occasions. Why would McCoy suddenly take the heroic role of being able to shake off such influence by sheer willpower?
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Old December 30 2013, 05:19 AM   #33
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What the HELL was that?!?!
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Old December 30 2013, 06:06 AM   #34
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Old January 1 2014, 10:51 AM   #35
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However, no one was forced or ordered to undergo brainwashing in ST V. The basic premise (everyone suffers from some trauma) is debatable itself, but that Kirk was the only one to stand against it (and not McCoy) is just too hard to believe, IMHO.
Not at all, because Kirk is and always was the Big Damn Hero on TOS. The crew in general were brainwashed or otherwise under alien influences on several occasions. Why would McCoy suddenly take the heroic role of being able to shake off such influence by sheer willpower?
Because he did. Kirk did not stand alone.

Sybok showed Spock and McCoy their hidden pain, yet both did resist joining him.
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Old January 1 2014, 03:11 PM   #36
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Only after Kirk's example inspires him, IIRC.
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Old January 1 2014, 06:48 PM   #37
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Old January 1 2014, 07:01 PM   #38
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Only after Kirk's example inspires him, IIRC.
Actually, it was a case that McCoy chose to stand with his friends rather than follow Sybok.
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Old January 1 2014, 07:40 PM   #39
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^It appeared on TV
A lot of straight dude would act as Kirk after this kind of transporter accident. I just hope there was not a fly with them.

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]Unless the Enterprise-A had, indeed, been put together by monkeys (as Scotty suspected) that scene can't possibly be canon for multiple known reasons
  • The numbering of the decks always starts at the top (Bridge) and then continues down, not the other way around
  • The Enterprise-A doesn't have that many decks
  • There are no (turbo lift) cars in that shaft, although we see both ends of the shaft
Illogical, you collaterally make apocryphal Balance of Terror or all post-BOT stuff because there's a big discontinuity about weaponry.
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Old January 4 2014, 01:17 PM   #40
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]Unless the Enterprise-A had, indeed, been put together by monkeys (as Scotty suspected) that scene can't possibly be canon for multiple known reasons
  • The numbering of the decks always starts at the top (Bridge) and then continues down, not the other way around
  • The Enterprise-A doesn't have that many decks
  • There are no (turbo lift) cars in that shaft, although we see both ends of the shaft
Illogical, you collaterally make apocryphal Balance of Terror or all post-BOT stuff because there's a big discontinuity about weaponry.
Huh? I can't possibly see what weaponry has anything to do with my post. Please post comments in the corresponding and correct threads.

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Old January 4 2014, 01:24 PM   #41
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Re: "If it appeared on screen, it's canon." THIS is canon?!?

I think the point is, if a deck numbering discrepancy disqualifies a movie from canon, then the same standard should apply to all of Trek, good or bad - and BoT's bizarre use of phasers (which were what became photon torpedoes once TPTB finalized how their show's weapons would work) would similarly disqualify it from canon, too.
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Old January 4 2014, 01:30 PM   #42
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A deck number error constitutes being evicted from canon? It's these sorts of discussions which fulfill every preconception of ST geeks.
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Old January 4 2014, 01:33 PM   #43
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Hey, in my defence I'm arguing against said happening!
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Old January 4 2014, 04:21 PM   #44
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I think the point is, if a deck numbering discrepancy disqualifies a movie from canon, then the same standard should apply to all of Trek, good or bad - and BoT's bizarre use of phasers (which were what became photon torpedoes once TPTB finalized how their show's weapons would work) would similarly disqualify it from canon, too.
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Old January 4 2014, 05:39 PM   #45
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Re: "If it appeared on screen, it's canon." THIS is canon?!?

That's ridiculous. Canon doesn't equal continuity, and the very idea that one continuity error would or even should render the entirety of a work non-canonical is laughable.

Hell, by that standard most of TOS goes right out the window because later episodes have continuity issues with earlier episodes.
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