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Old December 23 2013, 04:26 AM   #1
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"If it appeared on screen, it's canon." THIS is canon?!?


^It appeared on TV
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Old December 23 2013, 09:12 AM   #2
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Re: "If it appeared on screen, it's canon." THIS is canon?!?

Is there supposed to be a picture here? If so, I can't see it.
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Old December 23 2013, 09:25 AM   #3
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Re: "If it appeared on screen, it's canon." THIS is canon?!?

^^ It's a YouTube video. Try this link.
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Old December 23 2013, 09:38 AM   #4
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Re: "If it appeared on screen, it's canon." THIS is canon?!?

OK, I watched it. Scotty appeared to be in Enterprise D's engineering section, for some reason.

I'd say that this isn't canon, despite being "on screen", since it is a commercial and not from a series episode or movie.
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Old December 23 2013, 10:38 AM   #5
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Re: "If it appeared on screen, it's canon." THIS is canon?!?

Star Trek VI also used the same Engineering set. Both that and V, the transporter room with a little redressing. A partitioned off area window between the operator and the pad. Things like that. Engineering as it looked in TNG mostly though. They avoided showing that area with the table-top console, Geordi held briefings around.

That British ad must've cost a bit, even back in 1989/90. Energy companies are probably the only business that would've been able to afford it!
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Old December 23 2013, 10:43 AM   #6
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Re: "If it appeared on screen, it's canon." THIS is canon?!?

I loved this commercial as a kid. Modern ones just don't have these levels of awesome.
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OK, I watched it. Scotty appeared to be in Enterprise D's engineering section, for some reason.
They should have given Scotty a cool control desk like this when they reused the TNG engine room in STVI.
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Old December 23 2013, 09:12 PM   #7
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Lol, I'd never seen that commercial before. Hilarious!

And yeah, it's totally canon
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Old December 24 2013, 12:31 AM   #8
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Re: "If it appeared on screen, it's canon." THIS is canon?!?

Yep, Shatner had boobs. It's canon.
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Old December 24 2013, 12:46 AM   #9
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Re: "If it appeared on screen, it's canon." THIS is canon?!?

'A Night in Sickbay' and 'Threshold' also appeared on screen, as did all of Star Trek: Nemesis, and we're forced to accept them as canon. Sucks, but that's the way it works.
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Old December 24 2013, 04:49 PM   #10
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What bothers me the most is having obvious errors appear on film, becoming canon (ST5 showing far too many decks in the turbolift escape scene is the worst)
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Old December 24 2013, 05:07 PM   #11
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What bothers me the most is having obvious errors appear on film, becoming canon (ST5 showing far too many decks in the turbolift escape scene is the worst)
Take a look at the 3 videos linked in my sig. Incorrect deck numbering is the least of Trek's worries (for me it's Voyager's warp 9.975 being a LOT slower than the old Enterprise's warp 8.4)

Those in charge of Trek treat it as broad strokes, not with any one part as absolute fact. It's not the details, but the jist that matters.
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Old December 25 2013, 05:37 PM   #12
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What bothers me the most is having obvious errors appear on film, becoming canon (ST5 showing far too many decks in the turbolift escape scene is the worst)
Canon is just the individual installments. While STV is canon, the deck count doesn't have to be. Especially if a later or previous installment says otherwise.
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Old December 25 2013, 05:50 PM   #13
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Re: "If it appeared on screen, it's canon." THIS is canon?!?

I think more than anything, canon serves to prevent things produced off-screen (like books, comics, reference manuals, etc.) from trumping things produced onscreen. While many of these "expanded universe" works can be fun, they really shouldn't be considered more valid than the actual movies and TV shows they're based on.
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Old December 25 2013, 05:54 PM   #14
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What about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eM1OSNGLwI
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Old December 25 2013, 11:27 PM   #15
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What bothers me the most is having obvious errors appear on film, becoming canon (ST5 showing far too many decks in the turbolift escape scene is the worst)
Unless the Enterprise-A had, indeed, been put together by monkeys (as Scotty suspected) that scene can't possibly be canon for multiple known reasons
  • The numbering of the decks always starts at the top (Bridge) and then continues down, not the other way around
  • The Enterprise-A doesn't have that many decks
  • There are no (turbo lift) cars in that shaft, although we see both ends of the shaft
Obviously a set built for a never shot scene within the Earth Spacedock space station.

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