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Old March 4 2014, 08:21 PM   #31
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My heart bleeds for them .

But this is testing and points aren't award for being good in testing. All that matters is how they stand at the end of the season.

Though in some respects this could be good for Vettel, we know from previous years that Lewis and Alonso can drag a sub-par car up and score higher than were the car is. So if the Red Bull is a bit of a dog it might allow Vettel to shake that he only wins in the best car (yes I know he won a race in a Toro Rosso but that was in the wet and we know how unpredicable wet wather can make a race).

But whilst they might not be my favourtie team (at the moment) it's nice to see Williams looking like they've got a decent car.

In other news Long Beach might return to the GP calander.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112751
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Old March 5 2014, 11:21 PM   #32
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And of course this year marks the 20th Anniversary of San Marino Grand Prix which saw two drivers killed Roland Ratzenburger and Ayrton Senna. Hard to think 20 years have passed.
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Old March 11 2014, 01:22 PM   #33
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Looks like Vettel has some work to do on his marketability as despite being the World Champion for the last several years he ranks 4th behind Alonso, Hamilton and Massa in Global Awarness.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/0...-in-uk-stakes/

And it's only a few days before FP1.
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Old March 18 2014, 04:02 PM   #34
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Red Bull cheating as usual then.

Obviously Renault are having turbo issues, and while the other Renault teams are getting around it by turning everything down so that they have some headroom to increase the fuel as needed without going over the limit (hence why the Merc cars seem to have so much more power, not needing that headroom), Red Bull are just going over the limit on purpose and blaming the sensor when they get caught.

Maybe the FIA should scrap the fuel flow limit and just limit the fuel load instead. Clearly the flow limit is more about limiting power than enforcing fuel efficiency (that's just a PR thing to please the eco types), but it's not like the teams will be willing to turn the power up to dangerous levels anyway with the limited number of engines they can use, and it will make quali so much more fun (with everyone running at 1000+ bhp, which I imagine these engines are more than capable of doing without issue) and the racing more like the 80s (i.e. they can do whatever they want with the boost but it could mean running out of fuel at the end), which is a good thing.

Still, unless that happens, rules are rules, and Red Bull broke them. Cheaters need to be put in their place.

Have to feel sorry for Ricciardo
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Old March 26 2014, 04:42 PM   #35
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Anyone else see this on Red Bull are threatening to leave F1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula-one/26721387

F1 has been around for over 60 years and will continue with or without them.

Shame FOTA is around anymore perhaps they could have used that to help shape how the sport is run.
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Old March 28 2014, 02:48 AM   #36
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What if hamiltion and Mercedes dominate the sport in the next few years the same thing will happen,every few years a driver and his team will dominate the sports.
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Old March 30 2014, 06:19 PM   #37
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^True, teams can enjoy a period of dominance, in the early 90's it was Williams, then McLaren, Ferrari, Red Bull etc..

But the 2nd race is over and it was virtually a lights to flag to victory for Lewis. And it looks like Ricciardo is inheriting Webbers bad luck. And whilst it might be somewhat unfair that he recieved a 10 second stop/go penalty and a 10 place grid penatly at the next event but unfortunaatly those are the rules.

Though it'll be intersting to seee if Reb Bull can overtunr their disqualification from Australia. Sure Horner can say a directive is not a rule "as we found out last year with Mercedes and teh tyre saga" but my memory might be a little faulty but didn't Mercedes get punished for that?
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Old April 7 2014, 12:43 PM   #38
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What a fantastic race! All that bitching by Ferrari, pleading with the bosses in to change the rules halfway through the season, all the whining by Red Bull. All the complaints about the new hybrids not being 'real' F1 engines and the rules being too restrictive. That was the best F1 race I have ever seen. Force India who are a garden shed operation, and good old Williams who really deserve some glory, wiped the floor with the big guns. Rosberg and Hamilton forgot everyone else and showed the world what those Mercs can do. The team boss was pleading with them to bring both cars home and they did but it didn't stop them fighting to the death. Bloody marvellous.
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Old April 7 2014, 01:23 PM   #39
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Yep, it really was a great race! Hamilton showed his skill in the last few laps - medium compound tyres vs soft, and he did great!

Shame about the Williams' strategy - making 3 stops dropped them a bit further back than their performance deserved.

Also - the DRS zones were perfectly placed. Not too long (easy overtaking) or too short (almost impossible overtaking), but just right for an skillful overtake if you get good traction coming out of the corner. The Goldilocks zone of DRS. Nice.
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Old April 7 2014, 05:04 PM   #40
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I have to agree a bit with Big Ron, about some of the negative comments being sour grapes. When Ferrari were on top during the the V10 era were they complaining? When Red Bull where winning during the V8 era were they complaining?

We are only three races into this engine era the simply fact is Mercedes did a better job, just as other teams have done with things like double diffuser, exhaust blown diffuser, active suspesion etc.. the list goes on. Generally when we have a big rule change one team adapts better to them the others have to play catch up.

But I suppose complaining and trying to get the rules changed might be just part of the game, as other teams seek to negate the advantgae another team has because they didn't come up with something another team has.

And it's rather curious that some 96% or so of the fuel senosr problems are related to Renault engines and/or Total Fuel. That would seem to indicate that the problem lies not with the sensor but with the Renault engine and/or fuel.

But in terms of the last race I think Rosberg was only as close as he was due to the SC. Maldonado isn't doing his reputation any good with causing yet another crash.
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Old April 7 2014, 05:18 PM   #41
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Yeah Hamilton said when the SC came out his heart sank. But he's a tenacious little sod.

One of the commentators told Hammy that Rosberg had stated he was going to win the next one. He laughed quite genuinely and said 'bring it'.
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Old April 7 2014, 05:42 PM   #42
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Perhaps because Lewis is a racer. But teammates where having battles throughout the field. Which is good for so called 'taxi drivers'. Not every race will be a classic, some will be a snorefest but that's the same of many sports.
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Old April 7 2014, 08:01 PM   #43
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All the whiners have been put in their place. One of the worst tracks on the calender has just given us one of the best races in years. It really did have everything (except for a good result for McLaren ).

I don't care at all that Mercedes are running away with it, because Hamilton and Rosberg are putting on a better show than any of the whiny teams (*cough* Red Bull and Ferrari - sore losers much?) ever have, and the midfield is looking as competitive as ever (albeit with some teams that are used to challenging for wins).

Lauda said it best: "anyone who claims that this is boring is an idiot."

Also, apparently Red Bull (and other Renault teams) have been modifying their fuel flow sensors so that they can be mounted in an alternative location (maybe to change the flow in a way that tricks the sensor into reading lower than it should be?), and have most likely been damaging it in the process (hence all the sensor failures on Renault cars). Surely it should already be illegal to do anything funny with homologated parts?
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Old April 7 2014, 08:19 PM   #44
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Well that loop-hole has been closed as from the start of the European season.
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Old April 14 2014, 08:14 PM   #45
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Well Stefano Domenicali has quit from Ferrari and we'll find out tomorrow if Red Bull win their appeal. Still can't see them winning, if the sensors aren't fit for purpose as Red Bull claim how come according to reports 96% of the faults are with Renault powered enginges or teams powered by total fuel. Surely if their is a problem with the sensor we would expect to see more than 4% of problems reported being with Mercedes and Ferrari powered cars.
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