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Old December 21 2013, 05:56 AM   #31
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Re: Has Star Trek had more hours made for the screen than any other?

New Dr Who is to old Dr Who as TNG is to TOS. Same world, different creative approach.
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Old December 21 2013, 11:05 AM   #32
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Re: Has Star Trek had more hours made for the screen than any other?

^ Absolutely. They share a overarcing continuity, but they are independent entities.
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Old December 21 2013, 02:52 PM   #33
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Except they're not independant of one another. I'm sure the behind the scenes show DW: Confidnetial mentioned several times that the new show was considered a continuation. Previous incarnations of the Doctor from the 1963-1989, 95 era have been mentioned or seen. i.e. The Fifth Doctor in the minisode "Time Crash", and what about "The Day of the Doctor" where we see the current Doctor, eleven previous incarnations and one future. I don't get how they can spell it out any more clearly that this show continues on from the 1963-1989, 95 era.

As from a creative approach, I suspect an episode from 1983 would have a different creative approach to one from 1963. Times and tastes change and TV shows like anything must move with the times.
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Old December 21 2013, 03:52 PM   #34
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Except they're not independant of one another. I'm sure the behind the scenes show DW: Confidnetial mentioned several times that the new show was considered a continuation. Previous incarnations of the Doctor from the 1963-1989, 95 era have been mentioned or seen. i.e. The Fifth Doctor in the minisode "Time Crash", and what about "The Day of the Doctor" where we see the current Doctor, eleven previous incarnations and one future. I don't get how they can spell it out any more clearly that this show continues on from the 1963-1989, 95 era.
New Star Trek isn't independent of old ST either. DeForest Kelley cameoed as McCoy in the TNG pilot, and its second episode was a sequel to a TOS episode. The modern Trek shows and movies brought back every lead character from the original series except Uhura, as well as Sarek, Kor, Kang, Koloth, Arne Darvin, Zefrem Cochrane (recast), etc. The new shows focused on new crews and ships (or stations), but they were direct continuations of the same universe and continuity.

I don't know why you're treating this as either/or. A sequel is, by definition, a continuation of its original. If it weren't meant to be a followup on the same reality and events, we wouldn't call it a sequel. If a show revives an old concept but isn't a continuation of the same reality, then we call it a reboot, like Battlestar Galactica.

Well, for the most part. There are a few out-of-continuity sequels, like Halloween III. But as a rule, sequels are continuations and continuations are sequels. So there's really nothing to argue over.
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Old December 21 2013, 04:56 PM   #35
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Both TNG and New Who are sequels and continuations of their predecessor series. They are both set in the same universe and continuity of the previous shows. TNG and other Trek's, had numerous references to each-other and the TOS crew, as well as cameos and guest appearances by major and minor characters, so there is no doubt that they are all set in the universe. The DS9 episode 'Trials and Tibble-ations' is a good example of how they are all the same world. The new Doctor Who is different, in that it is both set in the same continuity as the 63 - 89 show, but features the same lead character.

Major and minor characters like Kirk and Spock, have made special appearances alongside the other crews, but each series generally has a different main cast. This doesn't necessarily make either any more or less of a 'sequel' as they are both new and separate productions from the original, and continue the story and world of their originals, but because Who has the same main lead, it is perhaps a bit closer to its original in terms of the story. From a production standpoint, TNG is a bit closer to the original, because it was filmed in the same place and had the same creative lead. Even the new Star Trek movies are part of the larger continuity, because they don't ignore the prime universe, so they aren't a total reboot.
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Old December 21 2013, 05:09 PM   #36
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Except they're not independant of one another. I'm sure the behind the scenes show DW: Confidnetial mentioned several times that the new show was considered a continuation. Previous incarnations of the Doctor from the 1963-1989, 95 era have been mentioned or seen. i.e. The Fifth Doctor in the minisode "Time Crash", and what about "The Day of the Doctor" where we see the current Doctor, eleven previous incarnations and one future. I don't get how they can spell it out any more clearly that this show continues on from the 1963-1989, 95 era.

As from a creative approach, I suspect an episode from 1983 would have a different creative approach to one from 1963. Times and tastes change and TV shows like anything must move with the times.
It's been branded Series 1 onwards though, not Season 27 onwards.

End of the day though there's still 800 BBC produced episodes of Doctor Who.
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Old December 29 2013, 04:23 AM   #37
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In total for Star Trek TV shows (including TAS) and movies, it's roughly 542 hours (based on minutes per progam).

[EDIT]I previously missed the "rule" about limiting the comparison to sci-fi shows, but I think that's just a way to set the rules to make sure Star Trek wins.[end edit]
Gunsmoke, which ran for 20 seasons, 6 as a half hour show (233 episodes) and 14 as an hour show (402 episodes), totals about 449 hours for TV, and that's a SINGLE show, not a franchise. There was also a short-lived spinoff called Dirty Sally which ran for 13 episodes for another 5.2 hours of programming, so make that 454 hours.

I realize the topic is "made for the screen" but I think it's worth pointing out that Gunsmoke started as a half hour radio show, with 422 half hour episodes totaling about 183 hours, which would mean that if you mash up radio and TV you get 637 hours of Gunsmoke alone.

Hell, All In the Family and its spinoffs account for 816 episodes and 345 hours.
There was another TV Western, The Virginian, which ran in 90-minute weekly installments for many years. I once read that James Drury and Doug McClure were therefore the most-filmed actors ever. Not sure whether that's true or ever was, but you may want to consider that.

Supposedly, the announcer, not used to such things, read some bumper bit as "And now the third half of The Virginian."
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Old December 29 2013, 05:13 AM   #38
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Sarah Jane Adventures and Torchwood both definitely count as part of Doctor Who, just as much as Voyager and Enterprise count for Star Trek. But everyone here is forgetting that Star Trek is *also* part of a MUCH MUCH bigger universe of shows that only really exist in the mind of an autistic child from the final episode of St. Elsewhere. So unless Doctor Who is *also* tied into that somehow (not impossible), Trek definitely wins, hands down.
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Old December 29 2013, 05:21 AM   #39
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Nevermind. Apparently, Doctor Who IS connected, which means the question is moot: Their SHARED universe with Star Trek would be, by definition, the exact same size.

For anyone who wonders what in the heck I'm talking about, click here.
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