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Old December 17 2013, 05:27 PM   #46
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Re: Paul Dini: Superhero Cartoon Producers don't want girl viewers

I'm obviously not "up" on the news, but am I to understand "Beware the BatMan" got "yanked"? I assumed (read: hoped) it simply went on a brief hiatus until a new batch of episodes were finished.

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Old December 17 2013, 05:39 PM   #47
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I don't think I'll ever be able to wrap my mind around the way TV execs think. I know the main 18-49 demo is important for network shows, but you would think they would just be happy that people are watching their shows.
Networks make their money selling audiences to advertisers. People 18-49 have more disposable income, which makes them much more valuable to advertisers than older audiences.

I still can't fathom why ABC axed poor Boston Legal, though. It actually did reasonably well among the 18-49 demographic (I should know, I watched it religiously). I suppose it must have had something to do with the fact that 20th Century Fox produced the show, rather than it being an in-house thing.
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Old December 17 2013, 05:51 PM   #48
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I'm obviously not "up" on the news, but am I to understand "Beware the BatMan" got "yanked"? I assumed (read: hoped) it simply went on a brief hiatus until a new batch of episodes were finished.
It's theoretically on hiatus until January, which is far from brief, since it's been off the air since October 5. But when CN did the exact same thing to Green Lantern and Young Justice, I think it had already decided to cancel them by the time the delayed episodes resumed airing. So I'm not optimistic about the show's future.
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Old December 17 2013, 05:59 PM   #49
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Networks make their money selling audiences to advertisers. People 18-49 have more disposable income, which makes them much more valuable to advertisers than older audiences.
Alledgedly, this age group is more willing to change or try new brands, whereas the older demo becomes 'settled' and not swayed by the latest ''new and improved'', sticking to their preferred products.
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Old December 18 2013, 12:58 AM   #50
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But why would anyone add boobies to a robot?
A) What difference would it make if they did
B) Why are you calling breasts "boobies"? Are you 12?
A) When you're constructing a robot, waste of material for example.
I'd argue all androids are inefficient users of material. The choice to construct a robot like a humanoid is aesthetic to begin with.

B) Why, do you have a problem with it? Boobies, boobies, boobies, boobies, boobies, boobies.
I don't have a problem with it. I just think it demonstrates a mindset reflective of the flaws in your logic.

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I still can't fathom why ABC axed poor Boston Legal, though. It actually did reasonably well among the 18-49 demographic (I should know, I watched it religiously). I suppose it must have had something to do with the fact that 20th Century Fox produced the show, rather than it being an in-house thing.
That's possible. It did last five seasons, so let's not mourn its tragic early demise. Certainly, as CBS has learned, an older skewing demographic isn't all bad. At least, they've managed to make it work.
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Old December 18 2013, 01:04 AM   #51
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Re: Paul Dini: Superhero Cartoon Producers don't want girl viewers

CBS has managed to make it work with notably bigger audiences overall, though.

And agreed, Boston Legal had a good run, and a terrific ending. But it's hard not to wish there were more sometimes.
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Old December 18 2013, 01:12 AM   #52
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A) When you're constructing a robot, waste of material for example.
I'd argue all androids are inefficient users of material. The choice to construct a robot like a humanoid is aesthetic to begin with.
And indeed, mimicking the proportions and build of a typical woman would entail using less material than mimicking the proportions and build of a typical man -- let alone the kind of big, muscular man that cartoon and movie robots are more often modeled on.
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Old December 18 2013, 03:51 AM   #53
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Two words... Kiss Players.
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Old December 18 2013, 03:57 AM   #54
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Two words... Kiss Players.
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Understatement of the century...
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Old December 18 2013, 06:30 AM   #55
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The Blade show on SPIKE had a high female audience numbers, but not enough males were watching so it ended up getting canceled anyway. It's not about a high audience, but about the right kind of audience.

Toy sales are important to cartoons, I would imagine TMNT is much more profitable for Nickelodeon compared to Legend of Korra.
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Old December 18 2013, 12:08 PM   #56
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Certainly, as CBS has learned, an older skewing demographic isn't all bad. At least, they've managed to make it work.
The problem with this, as many people have said, is when said viewership dies off and won't be there to watch said programing, as was mentioned in an article about Japanese manga:

In the early 1980s in Japan, the graying of manga fans who had grown up in the previous decade was a good thing that gave birth to new types of manga like Morning magazine (manga about cooking! Golf! Fine wines! Lawyers!) and other jôsei and dansei (women's and men's) manga.

Since then, other new magazines have also targeted older and older readers, such as Comic Ran (a magazine of samurai-era manga) and Comic Ryu (a revival of an early '80s sci-fi magazine, which was sold in some stores with the advisory "recommended for ages 30 and up"). Seimu Yoshizaki's Kingyo Used Books, a manga about a used manga store, shows the shift in cultural perceptions: the whole focus is on nostalgia for the '70s and '80s and the manga which were popular then, as if manga were a generational thing like pogs or breakdancing.

But if you don't cultivate a young readership, your audience will simply die off, like Weekly Comic Bunch, the 2001-2010 magazine whose biggest draws were sequels to '80s manga Fist of the North Star and City Hunter. Big Gold, another magazine specifically targeted at older readers, was canceled in 1999; a Japanese editor joked to me that it had been canceled "because all the readers died."
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What happened in that instance will happen here with TV. And that's why networks are pursuing younger viewers. (This was also mentioned in an earlier thread about the merchandising of the original Star Trek vs. the new movies.)
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Old December 18 2013, 12:54 PM   #57
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Two words... Kiss Players.
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Understatement of the century...
I had to google Kiss Players to see what you guys were talking about.

OH. MY. CHRIST!!!

This was the single most disturbing thing I have seen in a long time.
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Old December 18 2013, 03:08 PM   #58
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Words best avoided.
Understatement of the century...
I had to google Kiss Players to see what you guys were talking about.

OH. MY. CHRIST!!!

This was the single most disturbing thing I have seen in a long time.
What has been seen... ewww.
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Old December 18 2013, 10:45 PM   #59
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Yeah, we would have warned you not to Google if you'd merely asked about that possibility. I think I have some brain bleach somewhere...
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