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Old December 21 2013, 02:49 AM   #61
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

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The D'deridex-Class Warbird is larger than the Galaxy-Class and, thanks to its cloaking device, when you come face-to-face with one there is no way of knowing how many others are surrounding you.

With the DS9 Galaxy-Class ships, keep in mind they were in a war, so they would be upgraded to fight and keep going for as long as possible. Not all DS9 Galaxy's are more powerful though, one shot took out the Odyssey's warp nacelle.
And let's not forget that DS9 portrayed Galaxy-class starships as being SO weak that a single Dominion bugship, colliding at low speed with the hull, was enough to cause the entire starship to explode violently, kinda like some sort of intergalactic Ford Pinto.
I don't recall said "Dominion Bug Ship" as moving toward the Odyssey at low speed, and regardless, even at a moderate speed, any starship is going to take severe damage when hit by another starship.
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Old December 21 2013, 03:56 AM   #62
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The D'deridex-Class Warbird is larger than the Galaxy-Class and, thanks to its cloaking device, when you come face-to-face with one there is no way of knowing how many others are surrounding you.

With the DS9 Galaxy-Class ships, keep in mind they were in a war, so they would be upgraded to fight and keep going for as long as possible. Not all DS9 Galaxy's are more powerful though, one shot took out the Odyssey's warp nacelle.
And let's not forget that DS9 portrayed Galaxy-class starships as being SO weak that a single Dominion bugship, colliding at low speed with the hull, was enough to cause the entire starship to explode violently, kinda like some sort of intergalactic Ford Pinto.
I don't recall said "Dominion Bug Ship" as moving toward the Odyssey at low speed, and regardless, even at a moderate speed, any starship is going to take severe damage when hit by another starship.
I'm still hung up on the mental image of Guinan explosively decompressing. Grody.
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Old December 21 2013, 04:04 AM   #63
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The D'deridex-Class Warbird is larger than the Galaxy-Class and, thanks to its cloaking device, when you come face-to-face with one there is no way of knowing how many others are surrounding you.

With the DS9 Galaxy-Class ships, keep in mind they were in a war, so they would be upgraded to fight and keep going for as long as possible. Not all DS9 Galaxy's are more powerful though, one shot took out the Odyssey's warp nacelle.
And let's not forget that DS9 portrayed Galaxy-class starships as being SO weak that a single Dominion bugship, colliding at low speed with the hull, was enough to cause the entire starship to explode violently, kinda like some sort of intergalactic Ford Pinto.
I don't recall said "Dominion Bug Ship" as moving toward the Odyssey at low speed, and regardless, even at a moderate speed, any starship is going to take severe damage when hit by another starship.
I went back and rewatched the battle scene from "Tears Of The Prophets. The Jem'Hadar do use kamikaze attacks a lot. The Odyssey and her crew were just unlucky I suppose.

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Old December 22 2013, 11:26 AM   #64
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

As people have stated, it's as powerful (or vulnerable) as the script requires.

Looking at it from a technical standpoint it's a very powerful ship, we have seen it put out massive firepower (BOBW) and take a hell of a beating and keep on going.

Redlettermedia put it well in his review of generations, regarding the fight with the bird of prey "why are they thinking up some elaborate plan involving plasma coils, why not just fire photon torpedos, just keep firing over and over again, they could have crushed that ship in like a second, shields or no shields"

But you know, dramatic effect and all.

It was ok for the enterprise to get beat up and need to go back to spacedock, the story and setting allowed it

Voyager on the other hand, there was no spacedock, so every time they had a battle it was miraculously repaired the next episode.

That's why people seem to think the intrepid is more powerful, when from a specifications standpoint it clearly isn't, bad writing.

If voyager was done right, that ship should have been a complete mess, just barely holding together, limping through space. But that wasn't "star trek" enough and that's what was wrong with voyager

sorry for the tangent
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Old December 22 2013, 11:35 AM   #65
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

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As people have stated, it's as powerful (or vulnerable) as the script requires.

Looking at it from a technical standpoint it's a very powerful ship, we have seen it put out massive firepower (BOBW) and take a hell of a beating and keep on going.

Redlettermedia put it well in his review of generations, regarding the fight with the bird of prey "why are they thinking up some elaborate plan involving plasma coils, why not just fire photon torpedos, just keep firing over and over again, they could have crushed that ship in like a second, shields or no shields"

But you know, dramatic effect and all.

It was ok for the enterprise to get beat up and need to go back to spacedock, the story and setting allowed it

Voyager on the other hand, there was no spacedock, so every time they had a battle it was miraculously repaired the next episode.

That's why people seem to think the intrepid is more powerful, when from a specifications standpoint it clearly isn't, bad writing.

If voyager was done right, that ship should have been a complete mess, just barely holding together, limping through space. But that wasn't "star trek" enough and that's what was wrong with voyager

sorry for the tangent
I think that's pretty spot-on.
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Old December 22 2013, 12:25 PM   #66
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All told, even though we never see onscreen footage of a Galaxy blowing up a Dominion ship, it's kind of hard to believe that they'd last for hours against them without putting a few down.
I don't think we saw much evidence of further Galaxys being completely destroyed either. There's most of a Drive section in the background when the Defiant goes up (no neck) but if that was a clean break the saucer could have remained intact.

Or perhaps that is an example of a Drive section being used in battle un-saucered
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Old December 22 2013, 12:34 PM   #67
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

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If voyager was done right, that ship should have been a complete mess, just barely holding together, limping through space. But that wasn't "star trek" enough and that's what was wrong with voyager

Sounds like "Year of Hell," a VOY episode that was pretty dramatic and got painfully so, [spoiler]until they pressed VOY's customary reset button at the end of Part 2[/spoiler].
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Old December 22 2013, 12:37 PM   #68
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"Year of Hell" was originally conceived as a season-long arc, but The Powers That Be nixed the idea. They later did something similar with a season-long wrecked Enterprise in ENT's third season.
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Old December 22 2013, 01:47 PM   #69
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

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All told, even though we never see onscreen footage of a Galaxy blowing up a Dominion ship, it's kind of hard to believe that they'd last for hours against them without putting a few down.
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All told, even though we never see onscreen footage of a Galaxy blowing up a Dominion ship, it's kind of hard to believe that they'd last for hours against them without putting a few down.
I don't think we saw much evidence of further Galaxys being completely destroyed either. There's most of a Drive section in the background when the Defiant goes up (no neck) but if that was a clean break the saucer could have remained intact.

Or perhaps that is an example of a Drive section being used in battle un-saucered
Actually, they don't show any Starfleet ship destroying Jem Hadar vessels, except for a Runabout and the Defiant.

The USS Centaur exchanged fire with the one Sisko had took over, but that was it. And even then Sisko was obviously trying not to destroy it.


Klingon and Cardassian ships are shown doing it, but strangely enough, not Starfleet ships.
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Old December 22 2013, 09:01 PM   #70
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

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All told, even though we never see onscreen footage of a Galaxy blowing up a Dominion ship, it's kind of hard to believe that they'd last for hours against them without putting a few down.
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All told, even though we never see onscreen footage of a Galaxy blowing up a Dominion ship, it's kind of hard to believe that they'd last for hours against them without putting a few down.
I don't think we saw much evidence of further Galaxys being completely destroyed either. There's most of a Drive section in the background when the Defiant goes up (no neck) but if that was a clean break the saucer could have remained intact.

Or perhaps that is an example of a Drive section being used in battle un-saucered
Actually, they don't show any Starfleet ship destroying Jem Hadar vessels, except for a Runabout and the Defiant.

The USS Centaur exchanged fire with the one Sisko had took over, but that was it. And even then Sisko was obviously trying not to destroy it.


Klingon and Cardassian ships are shown doing it, but strangely enough, not Starfleet ships.
Most probably because Starfleet practices a *big dramatic air quotations* "Doctrine of Non-Violence."
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Old December 22 2013, 10:51 PM   #71
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

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All told, even though we never see onscreen footage of a Galaxy blowing up a Dominion ship, it's kind of hard to believe that they'd last for hours against them without putting a few down.
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All told, even though we never see onscreen footage of a Galaxy blowing up a Dominion ship, it's kind of hard to believe that they'd last for hours against them without putting a few down.
I don't think we saw much evidence of further Galaxys being completely destroyed either. There's most of a Drive section in the background when the Defiant goes up (no neck) but if that was a clean break the saucer could have remained intact.

Or perhaps that is an example of a Drive section being used in battle un-saucered
Actually, they don't show any Starfleet ship destroying Jem Hadar vessels, except for a Runabout and the Defiant.

The USS Centaur exchanged fire with the one Sisko had took over, but that was it. And even then Sisko was obviously trying not to destroy it.


Klingon and Cardassian ships are shown doing it, but strangely enough, not Starfleet ships.
In DS9's Sacrifice Of Angels federation ships are seen destroying a bunch of Dominion ships. In this tribute I made at 21 minutes and 8 seconds (after the two Mirandas are taken out) in the top right corner, you'll see a Galaxy class phaser kill a Jem'Hadar ship in the background.
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Old December 23 2013, 02:07 AM   #72
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All told, even though we never see onscreen footage of a Galaxy blowing up a Dominion ship, it's kind of hard to believe that they'd last for hours against them without putting a few down.
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I don't think we saw much evidence of further Galaxys being completely destroyed either. There's most of a Drive section in the background when the Defiant goes up (no neck) but if that was a clean break the saucer could have remained intact.

Or perhaps that is an example of a Drive section being used in battle un-saucered
Actually, they don't show any Starfleet ship destroying Jem Hadar vessels, except for a Runabout and the Defiant.

The USS Centaur exchanged fire with the one Sisko had took over, but that was it. And even then Sisko was obviously trying not to destroy it.


Klingon and Cardassian ships are shown doing it, but strangely enough, not Starfleet ships.
In DS9's Sacrifice Of Angels federation ships are seen destroying a bunch of Dominion ships. In this tribute I made at 21 minutes and 8 seconds (after the two Mirandas are taken out) in the top right corner, you'll see a Galaxy class phaser kill a Jem'Hadar ship in the background.
Yes, yes-- this is the scene I was talking about where it looks like Galaxy class is destroying a dominion battle cruiser or something like it.

But the problem is that it so grainy it's hard to make out. Someone once said it was actually a Cardassian ship if you look closely enough.
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Old December 23 2013, 02:41 AM   #73
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^It's grainy but Cardassian ships are bronze. I can't find a better shot of it but whatever is destroyed is closer to Jem'Hadar colors.
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Old December 23 2013, 09:21 AM   #74
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If voyager was done right, that ship should have been a complete mess, just barely holding together, limping through space. But that wasn't "star trek" enough and that's what was wrong with voyager

Sounds like "Year of Hell," a VOY episode that was pretty dramatic and got painfully so, [spoiler]until they pressed VOY's customary reset button at the end of Part 2[/spoiler].
Recall in nu-BSG, the Galactica was in pretty bad shape by the end of the series, as it should have been. Other than in YOH, Voyager never seemed to have as much as a scuff mark on it anyplace.
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Old December 23 2013, 09:25 AM   #75
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episode, the hull is ripped off. I assumed that happens more often than it should but they just repair it and keep going.
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