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Old December 15 2013, 07:16 PM   #16
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

The D'deridex-Class Warbird is larger than the Galaxy-Class and, thanks to its cloaking device, when you come face-to-face with one there is no way of knowing how many others are surrounding you.

With the DS9 Galaxy-Class ships, keep in mind they were in a war, so they would be upgraded to fight and keep going for as long as possible. Not all DS9 Galaxy's are more powerful though, one shot took out the Odyssey's warp nacelle.
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Old December 15 2013, 07:24 PM   #17
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

Bry_Sinclair wrote: View Post
The D'deridex-Class Warbird is larger than the Galaxy-Class and, thanks to its cloaking device, when you come face-to-face with one there is no way of knowing how many others are surrounding you.
And they proved of limited effectiveness against the Dominion as well.
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Old December 15 2013, 07:38 PM   #18
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More powerful than an iphone but less powerful than a death star.
Whoa whoa whoa.

My iPhone can play Candy Crush. I've never seen the Enterprise play Candy Crush.

Checkmate!
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Old December 16 2013, 01:29 AM   #19
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

Bry_Sinclair wrote: View Post
... Not all DS9 Galaxy's are more powerful though, one shot took out the Odyssey's warp nacelle.
That was before Dominion upgrades, plus there were multiple shots from multiple ships before the nacelle went down.
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Old December 16 2013, 02:03 AM   #20
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

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... Not all DS9 Galaxy's are more powerful though, one shot took out the Odyssey's warp nacelle.
That was before Dominion upgrades, plus there were multiple shots from multiple ships before the nacelle went down.
Calling a kamikaze attack a "shot" is beyond understatement. (Not to mention is took many others real shots previous to the kamikaze attack.)
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Old December 16 2013, 03:07 AM   #21
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

Pel the Yeshiva Ferengi wrote: View Post
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... Not all DS9 Galaxy's are more powerful though, one shot took out the Odyssey's warp nacelle.
That was before Dominion upgrades, plus there were multiple shots from multiple ships before the nacelle went down.
Calling a kamikaze attack a "shot" is beyond understatement. (Not to mention is took many others real shots previous to the kamikaze attack.)

Consider how well the Odyssey did against the Jem'Hadar ships, despite the fact that it had no shields to soften the blow of enemy fire. The only reason the Odyssey was even destroyed was because of a Jem'Hadar suicide attack.
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Old December 16 2013, 03:08 AM   #22
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I always found the TNG Galaxy to be kind of weak... It seemed like Romulan D'Deridex class ships always scared the hell out of Picard.
Which could simply imply that the warbird is also powerful.

A lot of fans approach topics like this with the mindset of a video game, where only even matches are ones worth playing. From an in-universe perspective, Picard is right to shy away from an even fight if at all possible because an even fight just means a lot of dead people on both sides.
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Old December 16 2013, 03:20 AM   #23
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

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A lot of fans approach topics like this with the mindset of a video game, where only even matches are ones worth playing.
As an avid former player of the Armada games, Bridge Commander, and Star Trek Online, that's exactly what these types of threads start to sound like. Video games are almost always different from the source material for the sake of gameplay. Let's not scoff at all the times the E-D was defeated by mighty ships; if anything, that speaks of both the strength of the enemies and the Enterprise actually surviving battles.

And above all else, yes, the ship is only as strong as the plot needs it to be -- space exploration would be boring if every new enemy ship could be defeated in a couple phaser blasts.
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Old December 16 2013, 03:50 AM   #24
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

Pel the Yeshiva Ferengi wrote: View Post
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... Not all DS9 Galaxy's are more powerful though, one shot took out the Odyssey's warp nacelle.
That was before Dominion upgrades, plus there were multiple shots from multiple ships before the nacelle went down.
Calling a kamikaze attack a "shot" is beyond understatement. (Not to mention is took many others real shots previous to the kamikaze attack.)
I think Bry_Sinclair and I were talking about damage done before the kamikaze attack.

Even the Defiant was taken down the first time it fought the Jem'Hadar but after upgrades the Defiant brushes them off and I don't think we ever see another Galaxy class taken down as easily.
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Old December 16 2013, 07:18 AM   #25
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

^My apologies. Nonetheless, the problems with that initial encounter was at least partly due to the exotic nature of the Jem'hadar weapons, not just a simple matter of being overpowered by them.
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Old December 16 2013, 08:18 AM   #26
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

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That was before Dominion upgrades, plus there were multiple shots from multiple ships before the nacelle went down.
Calling a kamikaze attack a "shot" is beyond understatement. (Not to mention is took many others real shots previous to the kamikaze attack.)

Consider how well the Odyssey did against the Jem'Hadar ships, despite the fact that it had no shields to soften the blow of enemy fire. The only reason the Odyssey was even destroyed was because of a Jem'Hadar suicide attack.
Did it do well though? You have to take into account the circumstances of the action in that it was built to infiltrate Eris onto DS9/the AQ. The Dominion would not benefit from destroying the Odyssey quickly as the rescue attempt would likely be abandoned without it. The point is to make Eris' rescue look good, not to enforce the Dominion's early empty threat about keeping the AQ forces out of the GQ.

If anything throws doubt on the nature of the battle consider what would have likely happened to the Odyssey if Eris had beamed onto it. It would have most certainly survived to limp back to DS9.
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Old December 16 2013, 04:03 PM   #27
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

In the Dominion War the Galaxies shown fighting were not complete ships (according to the DS-9 Tech Manual and a couple of things I have read online). The hulls were partially empty, the ships were rushed into production being mostly weapons and engines, not complete exploration vessels with all the demands the full crew and all that equipment had.

A general purpose vessel always has compromises, just as a warship optimized for combat lacks some features, like comfort. I think Galaxy Class ship varied some from spec according to when it was built and what equipment was deployed at the time, upgrades and refits would shift things further as a ship on long distance exploration would make do until damaged and needing repair.
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Old December 16 2013, 04:11 PM   #28
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

That never made any sense to me. If it's empty, why make a saucer at all (and why are all the windows lit?)? Starfleet would just make loads of Galaxy-class stardrive sections, which are built for battle.
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Old December 16 2013, 04:26 PM   #29
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I guess Starfleet wanted to demonstrate a 'show of strength' by pushing their biggest ships to the front line.
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Old December 16 2013, 04:38 PM   #30
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Re: How powerful is a Galaxy class starship?

King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
That never made any sense to me. If it's empty, why make a saucer at all (and why are all the windows lit?)? Starfleet would just make loads of Galaxy-class stardrive sections, which are built for battle.
Starfleet may have been considering the postwar world, where a bunch of war-based stardrives would have been useless.
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