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Old December 19 2013, 11:34 PM   #16
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Re: Star Trek Alternate History

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Not quite sure of the point you're trying to make there.

Care to expand?


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Old December 20 2013, 01:03 AM   #17
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*frantic arm-flailing and Fox News-style screaming* "Look what Jesus did! Look what Jesus did!"
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Old December 20 2013, 04:34 PM   #18
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If Trek history had any realism to it, the Americans would have murdered the Vulcans during First Contact and raided their technology ...
Would depend heavily on what part of America the Vulcans landed in, given tha they landed in the western section< I think what we saw is what would actually happen, the people around the landing site would introduce themselves and invite the Vulcan to socialize at a nearby cantina. Some drink, good music, a little dancing, and lots and lots of talk.

It goes without saying that no one would notify the government.

The government probably just screw it up.



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Old December 20 2013, 07:14 PM   #19
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If Trek history had any realism to it, the Americans would have murdered the Vulcans during First Contact and raided their technology ...
Would depend heavily on what part of America the Vulcans landed in, given tha they landed in the western section< I think what we saw is what would actually happen, the people around the landing site would introduce themselves and invite the Vulcan to socialize at a nearby cantina. Some drink, good music, a little dancing, and lots and lots of talk.

It goes without saying that no one would notify the government.

They'd probably just screw it up.


Well, if Earth got turned into a post-apocalyptic hellhole like we saw in First Contact, with the entire world engulfed in factional conflict, and some aliens landed in a shiny new spaceship full of advanced technology, the first thing on MY mind wouldn't be to get drunk with them and start kissing their butts. It's much more likely I'd be dissecting them AND their spacecraft to ensure MY faction's continued survival.

But Cochrane always did favor the bottle...
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Old December 22 2013, 01:12 AM   #20
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Well, if Earth got turned into a post-apocalyptic hellhole like we saw in First Contact ...
WW2 killed about 3 percent of the Human population, Star Trek's WW3 killed 6½ percent. It's doubtful that the entire Earth was turn into a "post-apocalyptic hellhole," more likely it was only isolated areas.

The argument can be made that America wasn't heavily effected by the war. Cochrane is building his warp prototype on a missile base, his silo is intact and non-radioactive. Cochrane prefers to travel by train, trains pass through population centers. We know that parts of San Fransisco from the twentith century are still standing in the future.

America may have basically sat out the war.

... with the entire world engulfed in factional conflict ...
By the middle of this century about 70% the Human population is going to be living in cities, given that "only" 600 million people died at a result of the war, the war most likely did not engulf the entire planet.

... and some aliens landed in a shiny new spaceship full of advanced technology, the first thing on MY mind wouldn't be to get drunk with them and start kissing their butts. It's much more likely I'd be dissecting them AND their spacecraft to ensure MY faction's continued survival.
Lucky for the Vulcans, they did land where they did then.



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Old December 25 2013, 04:00 PM   #21
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If the species who formed the Coalition of Planets never came together, or even became particularly close, I wonder if this alone would have prevented the Romulan War?

With a continuation of the pre-existing status quo, the Romulans would have been content to remain in the shadows. There would have been no growing political unity for them to fear and seek to disrupt.

The butterfly effect.

The Humans would have expanded outward from Earth, seeking out trade and colonies and discovery and adventure, a few nuggies from the Romulans and we would have simply avoided their space, venturing in every other direction.

There are interstellar threats other than the Romulans and Starfleet would have grown and adapted to handle them, but with out the events of the Romulan War, Starfleet would have remain a relatively small to medium sized military/exploration organization, suitable to the protection of Earth, Human trade routes, civilian shipping and colonies.

Earth would have been the Switzerland of the galaxy, friendly to most, but also very independent. Helpful perhaps in assisting others in their negotiations, but never taking sides.



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It would look a lot like Season One TOS.
It sounds a lot like the Earth Alliance from Babylon 5, to be frank.

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If Trek history had any realism to it, the Americans would have murdered the Vulcans during First Contact and raided their technology ...
Would depend heavily on what part of America the Vulcans landed in, given tha they landed in the western section< I think what we saw is what would actually happen, the people around the landing site would introduce themselves and invite the Vulcan to socialize at a nearby cantina. Some drink, good music, a little dancing, and lots and lots of talk.

It goes without saying that no one would notify the government.

The government probably just screw it up.


IIRC, there was not much left of the USA, or the U.S. government after the cease-fire mentioned by Lily Sloane in First Contact.

Also, as Riker said:

'Makes perfect sense they'd be here-major cities destroyed, very few governments left, six hundred million dead.'

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