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Old January 8 2014, 09:52 PM   #1
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ISS gets funding until 2024

Is this a good use of limited dollars that NASA gets? I know a lot of space enthusiasts who believe the ISS is a galactic [ ] waste of limited $.

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The International Space Station (ISS) will be up and running for at least another decade, NASA officials announced on Wednesday.

The White House approved funding for the ISS for an additional four years, extending its life until at least 2024. That comes at a cost of $3 billion a year, no small price for an agency who has an annual budget of around $17 billion.
This is the second time the administration of President Barack Obama has given the ISS a new lease on life. The hardware on the ISS could technically last until 2028 with the current level of funding.
While NASA officials touted the space station's potential for testing new technologies like 3-D printing, they stressed that its survival was important for a much more ambitious project: sending a manned mission to Mars.
The extension means that NASA can now plan research projects at least a decade in advance, while private companies like SpaceX can count on 10 more years of contracts for shipping cargo up into Earth's orbit. They could get a chance to transport U.S. crew members to the ISS once NASA's contract with Russia's Soyuz space agency runs out in 2017.
It also reaffirms the White House's commitment to the space program in the face of China's plan to have its own space station up and running by 2023, which could potentially lure away some of NASA's current international partners. The $100 billion space station has been occupied by astronauts since 2000.
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Old January 8 2014, 10:39 PM   #2
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Re: ISS gets funding until 2024

The bit you quoted explains why it's a good idea, so I don't know why you're asking. Do you disagree with the reasons listed, or what? Weren't you the one complaining about a lack of manned space travel in the other thread? If you like manned space travel, you want to keep the ISS operating.
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Old January 8 2014, 11:56 PM   #3
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I know I'd like to see the Station keep going for as long as practical and useful.
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Old January 9 2014, 12:27 AM   #4
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Yes, I want the ISS to continue receiving funding.
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Old January 9 2014, 12:44 AM   #5
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Re: ISS gets funding until 2024

Me too.

And it should get a huge Terran Empire logo on the side of it, just to mess with Trek fans who hear "ISS" and get the wrong idea.
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Old January 9 2014, 12:54 AM   #6
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Re: ISS gets funding until 2024

Given how it took a decade or so to construct, the question is what happens after 2024 or 2028 when the station rezches the end of it's life.

Will it be replaced, can it be replaced?

Even if we can launch heavier/bigger modules on rockets rather than using the Space Shuttle for some modules. How easy would it be to construct it without having the Space Shuttle.
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Old January 9 2014, 01:32 AM   #7
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Re: ISS gets funding until 2024

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Given how it took a decade or so to construct, the question is what happens after 2024 or 2028 when the station rezches the end of it's life.

Will it be replaced, can it be replaced?

Even if we can launch heavier/bigger modules on rockets rather than using the Space Shuttle for some modules. How easy would it be to construct it without having the Space Shuttle.
By then, we should have Orion well in place.
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Old January 9 2014, 05:59 AM   #8
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Re: ISS gets funding until 2024

Orion is a capsule, not a rocket or space station.

From the little I have read there may not be an international successor to ISS, at least not involving as many participants. The russians keep working on proposals to build their own again.

I hope that with the next station, if there is one, NASA can build it from fewer but larger components. Who knows though. NASA may not build one next. They might just lease space on a commercial station.
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Old January 9 2014, 06:07 AM   #9
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Orion is a capsule, not a rocket or space station.

From the little I have read there may not be an international successor to ISS, at least not involving as many participants. The russians keep working on proposals to build their own again.

I hope that with the next station, if there is one, NASA can build it from fewer but larger components. Who knows though. NASA may not build one next. They might just lease space on a commercial station.
I know Orion's not a space station, but the Orion program is expected to be up and running by then, and the Orion program is designed as an LEO cargo people hauler, which means upgrades and new supplies for a new or existing ISS. Now, unless NASA forgot how to propel their capsules into space, I'm not seeing your point.
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Old January 9 2014, 07:19 AM   #10
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Actually. Orion is not a LEO cargo/people hauler. It's mission is beyond low earth orbit missions. Commercial space craft such as SpaceX's Dragon are being hired for LEO cargo and crew missions. Orion, once again. is just a capsule and can't get into space on it's own. The SLS is the intended launcher for it, although for at least the first Orion mission a Delta Heavy will be used. The intention is for Orion to only be used for crew/cargo rotation of a new or existing ISS if commercial spacecraft never make it to operational status.

Seeing as Dragon is already flying operational cargo missions and is on schedule to start flying manned missions (barring congress doing something asinine like cutting funding to COTS regardless of the fact that it's been some of the best bang for the buck NASA has ever had) to ISS at least 2 years before Orion, I don't think there is any problem of that.

The fate of SLS and whether it actually makes more than a few launches remains to be seen.

Que Publiusr to come tell us that SLS is the answer to all our prayers.
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Old January 9 2014, 07:39 AM   #11
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Actually. Orion is not a LEO cargo/people hauler. It's mission is beyond low earth orbit missions. Commercial space craft such as SpaceX's Dragon are being hired for LEO cargo and crew missions. Orion, once again. is just a capsule and can't get into space on it's own. The SLS is the intended launcher for it, although for at least the first Orion mission a Delta Heavy will be used. The intention is for Orion to only be used for crew/cargo rotation of a new or existing ISS if commercial spacecraft never make it to operational status.

Seeing as Dragon is already flying operational cargo missions and is on schedule to start flying manned missions (barring congress doing something asinine like cutting funding to COTS regardless of the fact that it's been some of the best bang for the buck NASA has ever had) to ISS at least 2 years before Orion, I don't think there is any problem of that.

The fate of SLS and whether it actually makes more than a few launches remains to be seen.

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From here: http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/syst.../#.Us5Dy_ut-4k

NASA Orion Page wrote:
The Orion MPCV (Multi-Purpose Crew Vehicle) is based on the Orion design requirements for traveling beyond low Earth orbit (LEO). Orion will serve as the exploration vehicle that will carry the crew to space, provide emergency abort capability, sustain the crew during the space travel, and provide safe re-entry from deep space return velocities.
  • Spacecraft to serve as the primary crew vehicle for missions beyond LEO
  • Capable of conducting regular in-space operations (rendezvous, docking, extravehicular activity) in conjunction with payloads delivered by the Space Launch System (SLS) for missions beyond LEO
  • Capability to be a backup system for International Space Station cargo and crew delivery
Please stop, because I don't know what you're going on about.
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Old January 9 2014, 08:11 AM   #12
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Re: ISS gets funding until 2024

Back in the day, Orion was something else.
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Old January 9 2014, 12:07 PM   #13
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Back in the day, Orion was something else.
Reusing the same name within the same arena for something entirely different is a clever way to avoid confusion, like DIVX and DivX. When that codec first appeared, it was frequently noted, "Not to be confused with the defunct home video format!" If they wanted to avoid confusion, they would have come up with a different name!

Seriously, NASA couldn't come up with a name other than that already used by a high-profile project? (The BUCK ROGERS series used the name "Ranger 3" deliberately because that probe was lost in space.) NASA could have named the new vehicle after one of the horses that pulled Apollo's chariot around the sky, perhaps.
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Old January 9 2014, 05:40 PM   #14
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From here: http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/syst.../#.Us5Dy_ut-4k

NASA Orion Page wrote:
The Orion MPCV (Multi-Purpose Crew Vehicle) is based on the Orion design requirements for traveling beyond low Earth orbit (LEO). Orion will serve as the exploration vehicle that will carry the crew to space, provide emergency abort capability, sustain the crew during the space travel, and provide safe re-entry from deep space return velocities.
  • Spacecraft to serve as the primary crew vehicle for missions beyond LEO
  • Capable of conducting regular in-space operations (rendezvous, docking, extravehicular activity) in conjunction with payloads delivered by the Space Launch System (SLS) for missions beyond LEO
  • Capability to be a backup system for International Space Station cargo and crew delivery
Please stop, because I don't know what you're going on about.
Are we not reading the same thing? Bolded for emphasis.

As I said. It's perfectly capable of going to ISS, but that's not it's intended purpose. It will only fill that role if commercial space is unable to.
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Old January 9 2014, 07:19 PM   #15
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The Orion is overkill for an ISS mission. For the same cost NASA could buy a dozen or two Soyuz seats from the Russians.
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