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Old December 10 2013, 08:57 PM   #31
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Re: No split season for Capaldi

The God Complex was indeed a good jumping off point for the Ponds, but I'm perfectly happy they brought them back since 7A was a lot of fun (except The Power of Three's ridiculous ending) and bullshit about them being lost forever aside The Angels Take Manhattan was a really strong exit.
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Old December 10 2013, 10:16 PM   #32
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Re: No split season for Capaldi

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Yeah, that was cringeworthy - the TARDIS can't return to 1930s NYC, so what? There were fucking transatlantic ships and planes even then
"New York would still burn", said Moffat, addressing this very issue.

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Yup. After "The Day of the Doctor" where we saw that what we thought was a fixed point in time and space was nothing of the story, I don't believe Moffat when he says that "The Angels Take Manhattan" represents a fixed point in time and space.

My theory since then has been that River knew all along where her parents were (or would end up) and had probably visited them many times. (They're her parents, how could she not know?) And the Williamses and River concocted the story that she would one day have to sell the Doctor on, because they knew it was the only way the Doctor would let them live out their lives in peace. (Clingey son-in-law, he was.) And I imagine the conversation River had with her parents after "The Angels Take Manhattan" went something like this:

Amy: Did he buy it?
River: Of course he bought it.
Rory: How do you know?
River: He's my husband, and a wife knows these things.
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Old December 10 2013, 10:23 PM   #33
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More likely she just dosed him with the memory worm to make bloody sure.
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Old December 10 2013, 10:40 PM   #34
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He lives soooo long. He has to know and accept that his companions don't.
Except the Ponds were far more than his normal companions. They were his family. By the end of it, Amy and Rory had pretty much become his adopted parents (age differences notwithstanding), and then they were ripped out of his life. I thought his angst was perfectly justified in this instance.
I grow a bit tired of every companion being designed as the most special companion ever. Like what you said with the Ponds. Rose was supposed to be that. Clara is also supposed to be that having saved every incarnation of the Doctor. Etc. Gets old.

And, it forces the contrived exits that were mentioned in this thread. If such and such a companion is so amazingly important to the Doctor, they wouldn't leave under normal circumstances so some contrived circumstances have to be created to force them to leave and stay separated from the Doctor (ala Rose, Donna, Amy, Rory all have had reasons that forced them to stay away from the Doctor).

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Old December 11 2013, 11:33 AM   #35
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The flipside of this of course is that too often classic era companions were a tad disposable. Be nice for the show to find some middle ground.
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Old December 11 2013, 03:36 PM   #36
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^ Agreed! I like your idea that traveling with the Doctor is an exhausting activity that would only be considered as a temporary thing, like backpacking through Europe. Teegan probably came closest to this where she just grew tired of the violence and left.

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Old December 12 2013, 02:25 AM   #37
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That 8 month gap between Christmas and August is going to be agony. How about throwing us a nice 8th Doctor adventure or two in between!
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Old December 12 2013, 02:43 AM   #38
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Yup. After "The Day of the Doctor" where we saw that what we thought was a fixed point in time and space was nothing of the story, I don't believe Moffat when he says that "The Angels Take Manhattan" represents a fixed point in time and space.
I don't know, I think his reasoning makes a decent amount of sense, with the idea of too many paradoxes in the same place potentially ripping the city apart, and how the Doctor would not want to take the risk.

With Day of the Doctor, Gallifrey was already doomed to destruction (as far as they knew), so the risk with their plan wouldn't have been nearly as great.

Ultimately, as with most episodes, you have to accept that the Doctor has a much greater insight into these things than we do, and knows a lot better which lines really can't be crossed. And I have no problem with that.
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Old December 12 2013, 04:43 AM   #39
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That 8 month gap between Christmas and August is going to be agony. How about throwing us a nice 8th Doctor adventure or two in between!
I'm sure it'll be bearable. Time of the Doctor is sure to get a DVD release during period. There are sure to be more classic era DVDs released. In fact, The Moonbase is confirmed for a February (in R1) release and Web of Fear is still due for its release. Plus there are novel reprints, including books from BBC's PDA line and even old Virgin novels. That'll help keep me occupied until August anyway.
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