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Old December 3 2013, 05:04 AM   #1
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Who comes out on top post-Dominion War?

I am curious as to what you guys think about the most powerful entity in known space following the end of the Dominion War.

Disregarding non-canon sources as STO, I am inclined to think that the Federation comes out on top of the Dominion War. Section 31 Agent Sloane explicitly states that the Klingon Empire is effectively out of play for at least a decade following the war. Although the Romlulans' late entry into the war would have saved them some of the damage suffered by the Federation and Klingons, I doubt they came out as the top power post-war. I see the pre-Dominion War Federation as being analogous to the United States before WWII. A huge economic superpower with major potential to be a military power, but with no incentive to be one. The Dominion War served as a sort of wake-up call for the Federation, after which point they chose to ensure a sizeable, technologically advanced force was always prepared to defend the Federation. Once the Federation chose to increase resource expenditure on Starfleet, they rose to the number one spot in known space. The Federation was considered a major power, on par with the Klingons and Romulans prewar, despite maintaining a defense force that consisted largely of antiquated vessels. After developing significantly more advanced ships during the Dominion War, as well as increasing the number of standing personnel in Starfleet during the war, I am inclined to think the Federation is incredibly powerful in the postwar world.

What do you guys think?
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Old December 3 2013, 11:17 AM   #2
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Re: Who comes out on top post-Dominion War?

Starfleet - number one in known space?
Not even close.

Discounting the various ascended beings - who are the ruling class of the multiverse (Q, organians) -, the strongest power in known space is the borg. The collective's military technology is far above the familiar players' (most definitely above the federation's) and its numbers are overwhelming - millions of cubes (Voy: Scorpion).

From the participants in the dominion war, the strongest player at the end is the gamma quadrant dominion. A mere expeditionary force sent by it came close to overwhelming the combined forces of the federation, klingons and romulans. If this expeditionary force would have received the reinforcements sent in DS9: Sacrifice of angels, it would have won - everyone admitted this obvious fact.
And, of course, the gamma quadrant dominion - with its economic infrastructure untouched (as opposed to the alpha/beta quadrant powers) and far greater than what a mere expeditionary force could put together in a limited time/by using cardassian resources; etc -, leaves starfleet in the dust by a large margin.

BTW, by comparison to the more recently introduced powers, the federation, klingons and romulans are rather pathetic.
'Incredibly powerful'? This is merely an unsupported wish-fulfillment scenario.
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Old December 3 2013, 03:45 PM   #3
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Re: Who comes out on top post-Dominion War?

I think it is either the Delta Quadrant Borg or the Gamma Quadrant Dominion- since distances have now been trivialized with convenient wormholes and transwarp corridors. Both races have only shown a small fraction of their resources and that fraction devastated the Alpha Quadrant each time.
The big question is if the Dominion could be considered a military force with the new and improved Odo-Founders view of things and how the Borg dealt with Future Janeway's destruction of the Prime Queen and the loss of their main Transwarp Hub.
Both races were relentless, aggressive and could both conquer a foe and then turn their resources to creating even more forces. Both could crew new ships almost immediately through Borg assimilation and Jem'hadar's ability to grow from infant to adult in days. Alpha Quadrant races can build ships too, but they have to train crews from cadet level and while computers can fly the new ships they are not as effective as living beings on the bridge.
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Old December 3 2013, 03:49 PM   #4
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Re: Who comes out on top post-Dominion War?

Who comes out on top post-Dominion War?
Certainly not the Romulans.
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Old December 3 2013, 04:53 PM   #5
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The Prophets.
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Old December 3 2013, 05:30 PM   #6
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Re: Who comes out on top post-Dominion War?

Okay, to rephrase the question, out of Alpha Quadrant powers, who is the most powerful?
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Old December 3 2013, 05:51 PM   #7
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The Prophets: they control contact with the Dominion, are capable of disappearing its fleets, and have the Federation's chief anti-Dominion strategist on their side.
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Old December 3 2013, 07:22 PM   #8
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Re: Who comes out on top post-Dominion War?

Seems like all of the Alpha Quadrant powers were pretty devastated, so in this context "coming out on top" might be more like "who got their asses kicked the least"? The Federation might win that contest, but they'd still be in pretty bad shape.

I'm not sure how many Borg there are in the Alpha Quadrant at any given time, but I'd still be tempted to say they're the ones on top. After all, there's a reason the Dominion never picked a fight with them (man, that would've been awesome).
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Old December 3 2013, 08:37 PM   #9
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As devastated as the Federation might have been, I was under the impression that their economy improved during the war, and that their shipbuilding capabilities were vastly improved. Even further, Starfleet consisted now mostly of veteran soldiers rather than civilians.
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Old December 3 2013, 08:52 PM   #10
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Re: Who comes out on top post-Dominion War?

I don't believe the Federation was "devastated" by the Dominion War, but it was hurt by it to the point where a brief period of reconstruction was needed. By now (2390 if 24th-Century Trek was still being made today), the Federation is probably well past where it was before the war. The same is likely true of both the Klingon and Romulan Empires*, with the Cardassian Union still reeling from the loss of 800 million people on their homeworld, but on the mends nonetheless.

*Prior to the fall of Romulus.
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Old December 3 2013, 08:55 PM   #11
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Re: Who comes out on top post-Dominion War?

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As devastated as the Federation might have been, I was under the impression that their economy improved during the war, and that their shipbuilding capabilities were vastly improved. Even further, Starfleet consisted now mostly of veteran soldiers rather than civilians.
None of that is unique to the Federation. All of the other powers involved in the war would have increased their production of war material as well. Their militaries would also likely have come out with more combat experience on average than before the war.

Since they were all erased by a certain time travel mishap 11 years later, none of them really came out on top of anything.
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Old December 3 2013, 09:05 PM   #12
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Laxanna Troi has always struck me as a "Top."


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Old December 3 2013, 09:31 PM   #13
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-Brett- wrote: View Post
jmampilly wrote: View Post
As devastated as the Federation might have been, I was under the impression that their economy improved during the war, and that their shipbuilding capabilities were vastly improved. Even further, Starfleet consisted now mostly of veteran soldiers rather than civilians.
None of that is unique to the Federation. All of the other powers involved in the war would have increased their production of war material as well. Their militaries would also likely have come out with more combat experience on average than before the war.

Since they were all erased by a certain time travel mishap 11 years later, none of them really came out on top of anything.
What time travel mishap?
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Old December 3 2013, 09:46 PM   #14
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Re: Who comes out on top post-Dominion War?

I think he's referring to the reboot movies (which don't erase anything - Pocket plan to keep making Prime 'verse Trek novels until either the end of time or they become unprofitable. Whichever comes first)
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Old December 3 2013, 09:52 PM   #15
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Re: Who comes out on top post-Dominion War?

Yeah, the only thing that's happened otherwise is the destruction of Romulus, the loss of a Romulan mining ship, and the apparent death of Ambassador Spock.
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