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View Poll Results: How would you grade The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug?
A+ 8 6.61%
A 31 25.62%
A- 24 19.83%
B+ 16 13.22%
B 17 14.05%
B- 2 1.65%
C+ 7 5.79%
C 8 6.61%
C- 3 2.48%
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D 1 0.83%
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Old December 14 2013, 09:10 AM   #16
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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug - Grading & Discussion (Spoile

^^^Oh, he edits them...just badly. The man has no grasp of when a scene should end.
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Old December 14 2013, 09:29 AM   #17
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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug - Grading & Discussion (Spoile

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So that being said, this theatrical cut of DoS was almost like an extended teaser for me. I was blaringly obvious that so many character-developing scenes were cut to make this an action-packed movie. In no other theatrical Jackson Middle Earth movie have I felt so frustrated. Now I'm waiting for the Extended Edition. Its kinda like a cruel joke - I have to wait for the movie all over again.

Its really obvious in the first hour. Everything is rushed until they get in the barrels. Beorn's sequence seems almost unnecessary in the context of this film; almost as if its just a motel for food and a nap. There is certainly much more here.

Mirkwood too is WAY to fast. So hurried I was kinda shocked. Its supposed to be a long, claustrophobic, desperate trek. I KNOW there will be more here. The writers have already said Bombur falling in the enchanted stream and then carried by the others will be in the EE.
I hope you're right in this regard for all of the reasons you've stated. I especially want to see more of Mirkwood.

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(Anyone else notice that Bombur is the only dwarf who has yet to have a single line?)
Really? I could've sworn he had a line or two at Bag End.
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Old December 14 2013, 04:15 PM   #18
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^^^Oh, he edits them...just badly. The man has no grasp of when a scene should end.
True that. The final battle with Smaug was decent but ruined because it just wouldn't end. And when you look at it, it didn't really end.

Judd Apatow is also bad when it comes to not editing his movies and making them way too long.
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Old December 15 2013, 12:16 AM   #19
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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug - Grading & Discussion (Spoile

Did anyone catch the Stephen Colbert cameo?
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Old December 15 2013, 01:38 AM   #20
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Did anyone catch the Stephen Colbert cameo?
Yes, he's briefly glimpsed as part of a spy network in Laketown. Appears in the foreground wearing an eye patch. I think it was an eye patch but it was hard to tell because it was blink and you miss it cameo.
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Old December 15 2013, 03:21 AM   #21
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That was Colbert? I didn't recognize him if so, but it's only a few seconds worth of screen time.
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Old December 15 2013, 07:25 PM   #22
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I loved all of the scenes with Smaug, and the fun of the barrel scene. However, the rest left me a little cold. As one of my friends said, "I feel like I've been cheated out of a fantastic stand alone movie in favour of 3 studio dictated mediocre movies." She is waiting to stream the third movie when it becomes available.

I will go the the theatre for the third, but I too mourn the loss of the truly amazing stand alone single film.
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Old December 15 2013, 07:31 PM   #23
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I give it a C. Pretty much exactly what I expected, based on the first one -- endless pointless action scenes with nothing even remotely resembling an ending. It just stops.

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I hope one day they'll decide to do a true, one-movie remake of The Hobbit.
Over dinner after the movie, my friends and I decided we would love to see a "compacted" version of all three movies, running a couple hours, with just the stuff actually in the novel. Even better, a version based on the First Edition of the novel, before Tolkien revised it to better dovetail with LOTR.
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Old December 15 2013, 08:32 PM   #24
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As one of my friends said, "I feel like I've been cheated out of a fantastic stand alone movie in favour of 3 studio dictated mediocre movies." She is waiting to stream the third movie when it becomes available.

I too mourn the loss of the truly amazing stand alone single film.
There was never going to be a single Hobbit film, at least not from this particular creative team. The plan from the very beginning was always to do multiple movies under the 'Hobbit' banner; the only thing that changed was the number of movies.
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Old December 15 2013, 08:51 PM   #25
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Re: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug - Grading & Discussion (Spoile

I think that it could have made two amazing films, but clearly it's stretched too thin at three.
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Old December 15 2013, 09:14 PM   #26
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If Jackson had wanted to do one movie, they could have done one movie.

I get why someone would want to stretch it out to two movies. From an economic standpoint, it's the last chance for the studio to really do a trilogy based off of Tolkein's stuff. You would pretty much have to completely invent stuff after The Hobbit. I was starting to warm up to two movies before the three movie fiasco was announced. With two movies you can pick up the Gandalf storyline and he doesn't disappear for half the film. But sadly the opportunity for one great film (2 1/2 to 3 hours long) has been lost and that's a shame.
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Old December 15 2013, 09:21 PM   #27
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I think this is a significant improvement on its predecessor. That was a fine movie, but it did have its problems, such as the feeling of watching a collection of set pieces instead of a narrative. With a few possible minor exceptions, TDoS doesn't suffer from that, feeling narratively focused at all times (despite, paradoxically, also feeling like it's all middle with no beginning or ending). It also dumps pretty much all of the silliness. (Cockney trolls and goblin singing took me out of the first movie, but this one is devoid of such clangers.)

It's certainly the most "action movie" of the Middle Earth films, but in Jackson's hands this is no bad thing, with some truly stunningly choreographed fight scenes. Legolas and Tauriel are as badass as they come, with the former having his best scenes here both as a character (I never thought I'd say this, but I was impressed by Orlando Bloom's acting) and as an action hero. Both Leggy and Tauriel are basically superheroes, and it works like a dream.

Lee Pace was impressive as the regal but ruthless Thranduil, with the Mirkwood scenes adding much-needed texture to the proceedings. Mirkwood itself was splendidly crafted, but I think Laketown may well be WETA's best-realised environment to date, feeling as it does like a living, breathing village with its rowboats ands its close-knit structure, complete with walls rife for the scaling and rooftops rife for the running across. I'm actually looking forward to seeing what the video game industry does with this movie.

Kudos too for Richard Armitage's Thorin, a character we can respect and care about if not sympathise with or like; and for the magnificent Smaug, voiced with oily imperious malice by Benedict Cumberbatch. The Smaug sequence does perhaps go on a few minutes too long, but even combined with the notable dimness of this already visually dark movie when watching with 3D glasses, that doesn't bring this viewer's rating below an A. I'm looking forward to seeing it in 2D, and at home in both theatrical and extended cuts. Haven't checked out the appendices for film 1 yet, but can hardly wait to learn more about the development of this one.
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Old December 15 2013, 11:33 PM   #28
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Smaug's Final Scene Cut From "There And Back Again"

"Multiple News Sources report that Bendict Cumberbath's Character Smaug will not appear in the third film at all. From what I've been reading, the scenes total seven minutes and is a vital component of the whole storyline that the 'masses' should see in the theatrical cut of TABA. Of course these scenes will be included in the DVD 'Special Edition' of TABA. I've got tremendous faith in Peter Jackson's talents as a filmmaker. I've been a fan since his first movie but haven't read the Hobbit book...yet. (I'm waiting for TABA to hit the theaters) Given the fact that I haven't read the book but am a huge movie snob, how can you not have any sort of resolution of a character that has played a key component in the three movies? Articles on this story can be found at BBC, Cumberbatch Web, and theonering.net."
[SIZE=2]Actor Benedict Cumberbatch has said he was mystified to learn that his key scenes have been dropped from the third Hobbit movie. Cumberbatch, who also plays the Necromancer in the trilogy, said he had expected to appear in seven minutes' worth of climactic scenes.
"Of course I am very shocked, that's all I can say," he told ITV1's This Morning on Wednesday.
Cumberbatch fans have now started an online petition to restore the scenes.
"As far as I'm concerned, I'm only telling you this because it has been revealed on the internet, someone has talked and it certainly wasn't me," he told the UK TV show.
"If you want to know why you would have to ask the company New Line or director Peter Jackson and his associates because I still don't really know why.
"I can't say any more because I signed a confidentiality agreement and I honoured my word."
Asked if he would attend the première, he said: "No, what's the point? What's the point of going? None at all."

Jackson has stated that while they initially placed the scene at the end of the second movie, they decided that it didn't work with the flow of that film and they moved to the opening of the third film. But when the time came to edit the third film, they realized that they were taking too much time resolving the movie two villain rather than focusing on the third movie's plot.

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Old December 15 2013, 11:40 PM   #29
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^ Does that mean they'll have him back for a prequel trilogy in ten years' time?
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Old December 16 2013, 12:52 AM   #30
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D.

If it's called The Desolation of Smaug, I expect some fucking Desolation. Not a cut to black right before it gets there.

That point of contention aside, the visuals were awful (I saw it in 2D), like, 60/70% of the film was completely unnecessary AND the editing was all over the place.

Now, I'm not sure if the cinema I was at was simply showing half of a 3D projection, but that's entirely what it seemed like. There was no bokeh in shots that were out of focus, just blur. There were a few shots that seemed to have characters and objects double up briefly, and MANY shots featured the characters and other objects with extreme backlighting, almost auras around them. I assume in 3D this would enhance the layering effect, but in 2D it just looked terrible. And don't get me started on the molten gold/furnace sequence. Attack of the Clones droid factory anyone? That shot of Thorin riding the wheelbarrow along the molten river is possibly the worst VFX shot I've seen in a long long time.

Narrative wise, I enjoyed almost everything from when they escaped the elves to the end, but everything before that seemed unnecessary. Smaug was extremely interesting to watch and I liked seeing Legolas kick some ass again (even if Orlando Bloom did look...heavier). Evangeline Lilly was also pretty pretty and I didn't hate her character either (Which is a miracle because Kate was a bitch). But...I'm not sure about almost everything before the Dwarves escaped the Elves. I really wasn't a fan of cutting to Gandalf for 30 second increments when he was investigating the Necromancer/Sauron. Stephen Fry was just playing Lord Melchett which, isn't bad, its just kind of tiresome after an hour of your ass going numb watching stuff I really couldn't care about.

I'm sure once the entirely unnecessary third movie is out, someone out there in the realm of fandom will make a fantastic 2 hour and 30 minute single movie thats a complete narrative, but as it stands The Desolation of Smaug was just pretty horrendous.
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