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Old December 11 2013, 12:17 PM   #91
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I was going to just let this die off but...
But nothing. No one can possibly be this clueless about how they will be perceived after starting the same kind of petty angry whining threads time and time again, so the only conclusion I can reach is that you must enjoy the attention, even if its always negative.

Now it's turning into why you all think it's better to drive cars versus a bike?
I couldn't care less if you ride a bike or not, and I doubt anyone else truly cares either, but didn't you kind of open yourself up to this line of discussion with the whole "cage" BS?

For the record, the term "cage" was not meant in a derogatory sense. It's just a slang term for a car. If I'm in a group of fellow riders and I am letting them know I plan on driving instead of riding, I might say "I'm caging it." I don't know why everyone had to automatically take offense to it.
Right, and I suppose calling the guy a "jackass" wasn't derogatory either? He just reminded you of a friendly donkey which you were fond of from the petting zoo as a kid.

Give me a break, dude. Of course it's meant to be derogatory. It's not a big deal, but don't try and pretend there's no condescension behind the term.

Also, just because someone rides doesn't mean they're inherently more reckless and dangerous than someone who doesn't.
No, but you personally have demonstrated a tendency to drive recklessly, ironically while in the pursuit of recording or loudly calling out the alleged recklessness of others.

Also, kudos to doubleohfive for mocking my support and service to our veterans. Classy.
He didn't mock your participation in Warrior's Watch, he mocked your self-aggrandizing title of "Civilian Patriot," which is frankly ridiculous. As is referring to your "service to our veterans," which is an odd choice of words in this context since it's borrowing from the description given to the veteran's own time in uniform. It's almost like you're placing yourself in the same category as them and their service because you hang out with them briefly and do a nice thing for them. It's like trying to be a wannabe veteran almost.

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For some reason, any time I post about something that is mildly irritating but otherwise IMO an interesting topic, it becomes the general consensus that I am wildly enraged by said topic and that is the only reason I would post about it. Just because my thread topic may not meet the apparently high standards of being interesting that so many have and because I express displeasure about what happened doesn't mean it is ruining my day and that I'm just sitting there fuming until I can vent about it on the BBS.
Could have fooled me, and apparently a lot of others here. You come across in your posts, in the things that set you off, and in your YouTube videos as someone who is prone to get angry very easily.
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Old December 11 2013, 12:44 PM   #92
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...I can use the HOV lane and I can split lanes to get through a traffic jam like no car can.
Isn't "splitting lanes" to get through traffic jams illegal to do or at the very least sort of dickish and dangerous?

Checking: It seems lane-splitting is legal in California but there seems to be a number of safety guidelines/laws regarding it. (Speed, conditions where it is okay to do so, etc.) Still strikes me as something dangerous, foolish and kind of ass-hatty to do.
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Old December 11 2013, 12:57 PM   #93
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...I can use the HOV lane and I can split lanes to get through a traffic jam like no car can.
Isn't "splitting lanes" to get through traffic jams illegal to do or at the very least sort of dickish and dangerous?

Checking: It seems lane-splitting is legal in California but there seems to be a number of safety guidelines/laws regarding it. (Speed, conditions where it is okay to do so, etc.) Still strikes me as something dangerous, foolish and kind of ass-hatty to do.
It's OK when he's doing it. It's only the other folks who are assholes in cages.
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Old December 11 2013, 01:09 PM   #94
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Is it common to take up an entire parking space with a motorcycle?
It would be uncommon for me to actually put it in a parking space. Normally I just shove it somewhere near to the entrance to the shop, wherever it isn't going to be in the way.

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Old December 11 2013, 01:37 PM   #95
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For the record, the term "cage" was not meant in a derogatory sense. It's just a slang term for a car. If I'm in a group of fellow riders and I am letting them know I plan on driving instead of riding, I might say "I'm caging it." I don't know why everyone had to automatically take offense to it.
Most definitely was. And most of the blowback you were getting is because you're the definition of a novice with the bike, and you've gone right to pretending you've been doing it 40 years. 'badass biker' Profile pic, telling us all about it and your warrior ride thing, you just can't help but fall into biker slang, etc. Dude, you've been riding the bike what, like 5 months? Forget, but it was sometime late summer, wasn't it? You're barely at the point where you should be trusted out on the road, not quite at the point where you should be bemoaning the 'cagers' and their lifestyle. At least own the bike long enough to change the oil once before you start forcing that, k?

It would be kinda like me insisting there's nothing wrong with me forcing a British accent because I was there for a week on vacation. Live there for 20 years, you'll probably fall into it a bit. On day 3, you're a poser at best. And you know it. It's an image thing, for sure, and it comes off as desperate for people to think you're one of the cool kids.

There's plenty of us who ride here, and every one of us has been doing it a lot longer than you. We're able to converse without going all Sons of Anarchy. I'm sure they're both recruiting you heavy, but have you decided on whether you're going to pledge Hell's Angels or Diablos yet?
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Old December 11 2013, 05:09 PM   #96
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If you consider the physics involved it would be far worse to be strapped to a bike in most accidents rather than be thrown free from it.
This is the only part I care to comment on.

In a vehicular accident, being "thrown free"--whether it's from a car by not wearing a seatbelt, or from riding on a motorcycle--is always a recipe for serious and often fatal injuries. I have friends who are (or were) paramedics who attest to this. "Unrestrained driver/passenger" tells them "bring a shovel to scrape someone's guts off the highway."

When it comes to motorcycles, if we're talking about a sudden stop it's not likely to make much difference whether you remain stuck to the bike when it hits something or get thrown from it. Either way, the rapid deceleration is applying so much g-force to your body it's going to at least break bones and quite possibly kill you. All you do by being thrown free is delay the impact for a couple seconds.
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Old December 11 2013, 05:27 PM   #97
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Hmm, well as somebody who rides every day, I can't think of many situations in which I would prefer to remain attached the bike, although I do acknowledge in many cases it isn't going to make much difference, especially if you have ploughed into the side of something.

But at least if you get thrown clear you have a chance of sliding off somewhere relatively safe, and motorcyclists usually wear clothing designed to deal with exactly this sort of eventuality. Remaining attached to the bike is going to grind at least one of your legs into mincemeat should the bike keep moving.

To make a proper determination though, we'd need to know what the most common kind of accident is.
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Old December 11 2013, 05:50 PM   #98
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Re: The original post. I don't see an issue here. In fact, the person in the car waiting for the spot seemed to go out of his way to extra nice and not make you feel rushed. Instead of a rant, you should be posting about this courtesy!

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Old December 11 2013, 06:15 PM   #99
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...I can use the HOV lane and I can split lanes to get through a traffic jam like no car can.
Isn't "splitting lanes" to get through traffic jams illegal to do or at the very least sort of dickish and dangerous?

Checking: It seems lane-splitting is legal in California but there seems to be a number of safety guidelines/laws regarding it. (Speed, conditions where it is okay to do so, etc.) Still strikes me as something dangerous, foolish and kind of ass-hatty to do.
It's definitely legal in L.A. and was what I was referring to upthread about my concern about accidentally hitting someone on a motorcycle who splits lanes if only because they can be incredibly unpredictable and literally shoot out of nowhere sometimes.

As for you Flux, believe it or not, I still think it's a good thing you do for the troops, no matter how much I might dislike or disagree with just about everything else you do, so there's that.

But as anyone who can use the search function can see, the well-established pattern of your threads is in full play here (again) and playing coy about it is just silly. For all the pomposity, insecurity, and overcompensation for some imagined sense of what "manliness" must necessarily need to be that you project in most of these threads, one would think given how many times we go down this same road you'd have learned by now. I mean, shit I'm a complete asshole sometimes but even I know when to back down, apologize and admit defeat when I've crossed the line.

In short...

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Old December 11 2013, 06:17 PM   #100
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And most of the blowback you were getting is because you're the definition of a novice with the bike, and you've gone right to pretending you've been doing it 40 years. 'badass biker' Profile pic, telling us all about it and your warrior ride thing, you just can't help but fall into biker slang, etc. Dude, you've been riding the bike what, like 5 months? Forget, but it was sometime late summer, wasn't it? You're barely at the point where you should be trusted out on the road, not quite at the point where you should be bemoaning the 'cagers' and their lifestyle. At least own the bike long enough to change the oil once before you start forcing that, k?
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Old December 11 2013, 06:27 PM   #101
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and motorcyclists usually wear clothing designed to deal with exactly this sort of eventuality.
You wouldn't believe how many times here in florida I've seen someone on a crotch rocket ride by wearing shorts, a t-shirt, no helmet and flip-flops.

It always makes me mentally shake my head.
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Old December 11 2013, 07:17 PM   #102
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Give me a break, dude. Of course it's meant to be derogatory. It's not a big deal, but don't try and pretend there's no condescension behind the term.
No, there isn't. Why would I use the term when refering to myself if it we derogatory? Guess what, I drove my car today...I caged it to work. To me there's nothing negative about it.


Also, kudos to doubleohfive for mocking my support and service to our veterans. Classy.
He didn't mock your participation in Warrior's Watch, he mocked your self-aggrandizing title of "Civilian Patriot," which is frankly ridiculous. As is referring to your "service to our veterans," which is an odd choice of words in this context since it's borrowing from the description given to the veteran's own time in uniform. It's almost like you're placing yourself in the same category as them and their service because you hang out with them briefly and do a nice thing for them. It's like trying to be a wannabe veteran almost.
The word "service" can mean a great many things. I provide a service to my customers at work, a waiter provides service at a restaurant...and I have actually been thanked for my service BY the veterans we bring home. I've responded with, "Oh, no I've never served." and they tell me that they consider what we do to be a service in it's own right. So the word was not exactly my own and I would never consider myself on the same level as someone who actually made that commitment.

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...I can use the HOV lane and I can split lanes to get through a traffic jam like no car can.
Isn't "splitting lanes" to get through traffic jams illegal to do or at the very least sort of dickish and dangerous?

Checking: It seems lane-splitting is legal in California but there seems to be a number of safety guidelines/laws regarding it. (Speed, conditions where it is okay to do so, etc.) Still strikes me as something dangerous, foolish and kind of ass-hatty to do.
It isn't "ass-hatty" or dangerous if you do it right. I only split when traffic has slowed to about 20 mph or less. Otherwise I tough it out or pass one car at a time if they fall under the 20 mph mark. The fastest I've gotten while splitting is about 30-35, giving myself enough time to react to a last second lane changer. People around her typically know that it's legal and will make way for bikes as they go by. It eases congestion and is actually safer than me sitting in traffic. Why take up space on the road that could otherwise be used by a car that doesn't have the option to split?

I do shake my head when I see sport bike riders split at full freeway speeds. That's not only illegal but incredibly dangerous. I'm sure cruiser riders do it too but 9 times out of 10 I have seen it being sport bikes or standards doing that stuff.

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...I can use the HOV lane and I can split lanes to get through a traffic jam like no car can.
Isn't "splitting lanes" to get through traffic jams illegal to do or at the very least sort of dickish and dangerous?

Checking: It seems lane-splitting is legal in California but there seems to be a number of safety guidelines/laws regarding it. (Speed, conditions where it is okay to do so, etc.) Still strikes me as something dangerous, foolish and kind of ass-hatty to do.
It's OK when he's doing it. It's only the other folks who are assholes in cages.
This statement doesn't make any sense. For one thing, it IS okay for me to lane split. it's legal in California. And for another, a "cage" can't lane split...

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Is it common to take up an entire parking space with a motorcycle?
It would be uncommon for me to actually put it in a parking space. Normally I just shove it somewhere near to the entrance to the shop, wherever it isn't going to be in the way.
I've thought about doing that, too but am not sure about the legality of it where I am. it also seems like it'd be difficult to get the bike on and off the curb if there were no opening or ramp near by.

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For the record, the term "cage" was not meant in a derogatory sense. It's just a slang term for a car. If I'm in a group of fellow riders and I am letting them know I plan on driving instead of riding, I might say "I'm caging it." I don't know why everyone had to automatically take offense to it.
Most definitely was. And most of the blowback you were getting is because you're the definition of a novice with the bike, and you've gone right to pretending you've been doing it 40 years. 'badass biker' Profile pic, telling us all about it and your warrior ride thing, you just can't help but fall into biker slang, etc. Dude, you've been riding the bike what, like 5 months? Forget, but it was sometime late summer, wasn't it? You're barely at the point where you should be trusted out on the road, not quite at the point where you should be bemoaning the 'cagers' and their lifestyle. At least own the bike long enough to change the oil once before you start forcing that, k?

It would be kinda like me insisting there's nothing wrong with me forcing a British accent because I was there for a week on vacation. Live there for 20 years, you'll probably fall into it a bit. On day 3, you're a poser at best. And you know it. It's an image thing, for sure, and it comes off as desperate for people to think you're one of the cool kids.

There's plenty of us who ride here, and every one of us has been doing it a lot longer than you. We're able to converse without going all Sons of Anarchy. I'm sure they're both recruiting you heavy, but have you decided on whether you're going to pledge Hell's Angels or Diablos yet?
I may have just bought the bike back in May but I have been with the WWR for about 4 years now. So yeah, you pick some stuff up after that much time. Besides, the fact that I see nothing negative about the term is why I used it. I referred to myself as a cager long before I even touched a motorcycle, and I still drive a car so your theory that I have something against car drivers doesn't hold up. It's not my fault you people get all butthurt over a simple term. I've never seen Sons of Anarchy but if using that term is all it takes to sound like the characters they might want to hire some better consultants on that show.

I will go ahead and admit that yes, I overreacted about this particular situation and the guy was quit a bit nicer than he needed to be and nicer than others in the similar situation. It just reminded me of other times the same situation had happened and that IMO the general situation is an irritating one. I still hold the opinion that sitting there and waiting before someone is even done loading their cargo is a dick move, though and not something I would do myself. Does it send me into a blind rage if someone does it? No, I simply roll my eyes and go about my day. It's a minor issue but still something I thought that might be worth discussing <img id="ums_img_tooltip" class="UMSRatingIcon">
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Old December 11 2013, 07:50 PM   #103
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It's not my fault you people get all butthurt over a simple term.
I don't think the guy who whines in nearly every thread he posts and takes offense at imagined slights about his escort service really gets to accuse others of getting "butthurt."

Also, the fact that people were mocking you for calling cars "cages" after you've spent all of five minutes on your bike and weren't getting offended by it kind of puts the lie to that assertion.
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My cage keeps me from hitting something at high speed and becoming something you spread on a Ritz cracker.
My common sense and riding ability does that
Oh sure, call on common sense. Now who's being elitist?

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