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Old December 20 2013, 10:39 AM   #196
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Assuming that he doesn't need "light" to see, it must make it seem like cheating during cunnilingus, if he's not lumbering about navigating by guess work and inarticulate bitter threats from above.
If he's overstayed his welcome, she can tap him on the head ...
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Old December 20 2013, 10:46 AM   #197
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Jake & Nog were Ferris Buller's Day Off
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Old December 20 2013, 10:59 AM   #198
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

I will agree with your no, but in the beginning Jake was Ferris and Nog was Cameron, but by half way through the Show, Nog was Ferris and Jake was Cameron.
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Old December 20 2013, 11:39 AM   #199
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Captain Harriman was Cameron and that ... is ... that!

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Old December 20 2013, 02:02 PM   #200
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There were times when Odo did act as a metaphor for being gay, but it's not literally the same thing. I think the intention was that Odo was enjoying sex with Kira, but I do think he was so very alien and different that he was experiencing things way different that a standard humanoid.
I never really liked Odo having this mad crush on Kira anyways. I can see how it worked with his story arc of feeling detached, longing to belong, affirming his connection to the Federation side in the War, etc. It still just felt weird, he's so alien, his natural state is protoplasm, so it seems odd to me that he'd have such a human expression of love and sex.
It's also a bit lame that he seemed to identify as a heterosexual male considering his true nature. You'd think his gender identity and any sexual orientation should've been more fluid.
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Old December 20 2013, 07:16 PM   #201
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There should have been a story where he had to be "female" one week to solve a case or adventure... Like Quark did that time after hours of surgery.
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Old December 20 2013, 11:01 PM   #202
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"more fluid" yes,

It took me several rewatches not to dislike the Odo/Kira relationship.. though I still don't quite get what she gets out of it personality wise. If you took Odo's personality and transplanted it into a regular Bajoran would Kira be attracted to him? Yes her Bajroran men were dull but even so..
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Old December 20 2013, 11:10 PM   #203
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He did spend half a season as solid, where he did have sex with a guest actress, but that was years before Kira found out that he was into her.
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Old December 20 2013, 11:17 PM   #204
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True. It showed how arrogant the founders were to do that to him, not thinking it would make him even more sympathetic to solids. I wish they had shown more of his learning curve, stuff like getting dirty and having to deal with taking a dump (okay they wouldn't show that..) but just body maintenance and care would have been a shock to him.
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Old December 20 2013, 11:27 PM   #205
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There was a line on Saturday night live last week... "He can cut a 12 dollar steak in half with with his urine stream."

I would have loved to have seen him drunk.
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Old December 20 2013, 11:34 PM   #206
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Drunk and disorderly at Quark's! Passed out in the midst of debauchery! Hangover, snickers on the promenade the next day! Quark's utter glee.
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Old December 21 2013, 12:08 AM   #207
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Give him hick-ups for a week.

Or at least play with some hair styles?

His hair is like his Bajoran pappys?

But as a changeling he kept it becuase it was easy to kept that shape during stressful adventures.

Although I can't see him like hair at all.

Maybe he might have removed it all if proved too much for him?
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Old December 21 2013, 12:08 AM   #208
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True. It showed how arrogant the founders were to do that to him, not thinking it would make him even more sympathetic to solids. I wish they had shown more of his learning curve, stuff like getting dirty and having to deal with taking a dump (okay they wouldn't show that..) but just body maintenance and care would have been a shock to him.
Babylon 5 did something similar, when Delenn went thru a transformation, they touched on her having trouble adjusting to a new physiology, including not knowing how to take care of human hair. They also had her asking about the cramps she was having before they cut scene.
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Old December 21 2013, 12:12 AM   #209
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If shapeshifters did not produce fully functioning internal organs of whatever they were shifted to, it should be easier to detect them. No crazy blood tests, just a tricorder scan. Just sayin. If it's hard to detect humans apart from shapeshifters posing as humans, shapeshifters have human internal organs.
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Old December 21 2013, 12:12 AM   #210
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Oh yes in the lift!
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