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Old December 19 2013, 11:14 PM   #181
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

Which is an oft-recurring theme throughout this franchise, is it not? Roddenberry, in particular, seemed concerned about the Human capacity to put any spin on reality.
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Old December 19 2013, 11:16 PM   #182
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

Yeah, Odo could please Kira by simulating perfect sex for her. I remember there was a weird sex scene where Odo was basicly like a big shiny mist over Kira. She seemed to be into it, but it didn't look like something I'd want to do.
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Old December 19 2013, 11:26 PM   #183
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

As Odo said, if you scan a shapeshifter while he's in the shape of a rock, you will detect a rock. So, yeah ok that and what I'm about to say kinda contradicts Broken Link, but if you can't detect a shapeshifter with a tricorder scan, a shapeshifter must be able to produce a functioning Bajoran endocrine system. And also Bajoran pheremones and pheremone receptors.

Besides, when Odo had solid-sex with the female shapeshifter she remarked that while it felt good it paled in comparison to the great link.

When Kira was surrounded by plasmic Odo it was in the episode where she had to prove that she loved him for who he is and not just because of the solid he pretended to be. So perhaps she was pretending to like it to make him feel good. But also I'm sure they could have discovered a way to physically communicate between the two to make both get something out of it.
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Old December 19 2013, 11:27 PM   #184
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

You're right about Odo's nocturnal activities with Kira. It's mere "simulation." That's it and all about it ...
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Old December 19 2013, 11:28 PM   #185
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

Kira is all about power and integrity.

She wants a man that will shape the Galaxy.
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Old December 19 2013, 11:32 PM   #186
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

Is that what the hip Bajorans call it these days?

And no 2takes, the point was that it wasn't simulation, it was real. Like when he's a rock he's verifiably a real rock.
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Old December 19 2013, 11:42 PM   #187
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

Hey, was it ever resolved, anyway ... this hypothetical question of "what if Wang had left, instead of Lien?
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Old December 20 2013, 12:25 AM   #188
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Is that what the hip Bajorans call it these days?

And no 2takes, the point was that it wasn't simulation, it was real. Like when he's a rock he's verifiably a real rock.
She dated the deputy Pope and then the Prime Minister, and then a Founder of the Dominion who might as well have founded the Dominion.

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Old December 20 2013, 12:33 AM   #189
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

eh, I need to be less oblique.

Yes Kira was a power girl. All those stars, she was going to Gajazzle it.
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Old December 20 2013, 12:41 AM   #190
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This is you acute?
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Old December 20 2013, 12:58 AM   #191
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

I would have liked a character dynamic between Kes and 7 of 9. I think that would have spared us those painfully awkward “hologram teaches her to be human“ episodes.
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Old December 20 2013, 01:11 AM   #192
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I'm a frakking laser.

And Jarrod, HOW DARE YOU wish to be spared from such adorableness. It's XMAS for godsake, and here you are complaining about that which brings so many joy.
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Old December 20 2013, 03:30 AM   #193
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

I was visiting the Facebook page for Kathy Cody, an actress from the classic Dark Shadows series, when I was surprised to see a picture of our Kes posted there, which someone (not me) had posted, pointing out a resemblence between Lien and Cody. It was neat to run across a picture of Kes in a completely random and unexpected place.
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Old December 20 2013, 05:48 AM   #194
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Jake Sisko was a dork who's best and only friend was Nog, of all people ...
Jake was far from a dork. Jake had mad game with the ladies.
All his ladies were hot and he traded them off like credit cards. It was Jake introduced his Dad to Kassady. Jake was trying to rap to her too. Being the station commanders son gets you perks.
Nog had the Uncle that owned a bar and that meant money.
Woman & money?
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"Disgusting" was witnessing Odo and Kira making out. How do Shape-Shifters ... "do it"? Their sexual urges and responses can't be at all similiar to ours. Unless, of course, Bajorans are more alien than I give them credit for and experience sex quite differently. In either case, surely, Odo must be faking his orgasms ... is that what Kira really wants?
I'll bet people that don't understand homosexuality think the same things.
Sexual degradation & BDSM really throws them for a loop.

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This is what I would have done.

Paughwraith ray blasts age Jadzia to dust, as the baby inside her explosively grows up instantly into a 40 year old woman, and then with one hand she stuffs the symbiont inside her and the other she punches Dukut in the nards.

I like the imagery, especially if the Symbiont "bounces" when it hits the ground before the kid catches it...

But if the kid is a blank slate, that means that the former hosts have equal rights to fight for control of the body, which could make for some very interesting stories.

There was a DS9 time travel novel, the clock kept winding back after everyone died, Jadzia died, or she was brian dead, but the Symbiont got really pissy and tried to take control, and it was like watching a drunk lady at last call trying to frakk the jukebox, but she had vengeance on her mind... Oh, like that Vorta form the magnificent Ferengi when they had him on remote control.

Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Old December 20 2013, 07:02 AM   #195
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Re: What if Garrett Wang had left Voyager instead of Jennifer Lien?

Odo doesn't see through his eyes. What ever sense he must use to identify his surrounding would be equally representative over every inch of his body no matter what it's pretending to look like.

When Odo kisses Kira, he's investigating her throat gastroscopically.

Assuming that he doesn't need "light" to see, it must make it seem like cheating during cunnilingus, if he's not lumbering about navigating by guess work and inarticulate bitter threats from above.

On the brighter side, with the Constable being anosmic, Kira can eat all the garlic she wants.
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