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Old December 11 2013, 01:42 AM   #421
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Re: Gal Gadot cast as Wonder Woman In ‘Batman Vs. Superman’

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I's hard to sell this element as being unrealistic
What??

Are you kidding me?
No. I'm telling you, accurately, that it's a precisely analogous mentality to one we see every day. Especially when the ships are mothballed, the planet has a complacent mentality and it's easy to tell yourself it's tomorrow's problem*. It may frustrate you that it is illogical behaviour, but it is realistically illogical to a far greater degree than is usual for a comic book movie. There's no getting around that.

(* As someone else already mentioned, it wasn't a case of everybody agreeing the planet was going to blow up that day. Nobody agreed when it was going to happen and the Council specifically says their projections don't agree with Jor-El's and that they think there's plenty more time to solve the problem... and that it's therefore hasty to contemplate a halt to "mining the planet core" that powers their whole way of life. Again... sound familiar? It's not a case of them really saying anything unbelievably irrational, is it?)
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Old December 11 2013, 01:59 AM   #422
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if Earth was going to blow up but we had ships and oteher worlds to go to, I guarantee that people would want to leave. They wouldn't be in denial about that.

And despite the fact we too, might cause problems (like the Kryptonians causing the core to collapse) I think we might have at least the common sense to at least consider the issue realistically if it came to the end. We might not be able to solve the problem, but I think, if the evidence was there and we were near the end, we simply would not act like morons.


The film is indefensible.
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Old December 11 2013, 02:01 AM   #423
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Re: Gal Gadot cast as Wonder Woman In ‘Batman Vs. Superman’

That's the origin, Krypton blows up and he's, more or less, the last Kryptonian. That's not the film's fault.
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Old December 11 2013, 02:06 AM   #424
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if Earth was going to blow up but we had ships and oteher worlds to go to, I guarantee that people would want to leave.
The Kryptonians don't have much in the way of ships, their space program has been mothballed for millennia. Nor is there any guarantee of other worlds to go to, their colonies have been out of contact for just as long... and in fact, we learn later, are dead (turns out colonizing space is hard, another believable touch).

IOW their situation in practical terms isn't really all that much different from our situation in which denialism (about climate and ecosystem in our case) abounds and nobody shows any hint of being ready to abandon their lifestyle and flee the planet. The comparison is very close to being one to one. So I don't see on what grounds you can complain it's "untenable."
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Old December 11 2013, 02:09 AM   #425
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That's the origin, Krypton blows up and he's, more or less, the last Kryptonian. That's not the film's fault.
Yes, that's the backstory.

But they paid the screenwriter to write this origin in a way that at least would seem to make sense. Instead Goyer made it so convoluted, confusing, and illogical.
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Old December 11 2013, 02:11 AM   #426
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I don't know. I didn't find it confusing.
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Old December 11 2013, 02:12 AM   #427
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It isn't particularly convoluted or illogical, FSM. It may be that you found it confusing, but in terms of what the film actually tells us it holds together just fine.
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Old December 11 2013, 02:33 AM   #428
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if Earth was going to blow up but we had ships and oteher worlds to go to, I guarantee that people would want to leave.
The Kryptonians don't have much in the way of ships, their space program has been mothballed for millennia. Nor is there any guarantee of other worlds to go to, their colonies have been out of contact for just as long... and in fact, we learn later, are dead (turns out colonizing space is hard, another believable touch).

IOW their situation in practical terms isn't really all that much different from our situation in which denialism (about climate and ecosystem in our case) abounds and nobody shows any hint of being ready to abandon their lifestyle and flee the planet. The comparison is very close to being one to one. So I don't see on what grounds you can complain it's "untenable."
Pretty much spot on. The examples of China in the 15th century and the Ottoman Empire after its peak in the early 17th century stand as very good analogies to the inward-looking nature of Kryptonian society (thus explaining the abandonment of space exploration, as the Chinese abandoned maritime exploration, scuttling the finest fleet in the world to date) and their blithe refusal to do anything in the face of evidence that something is seriously wrong mirrors many forms of cognitive dissonance found in real life (climate change denial being only one of several, though clearly the most direct analogy).

Man of Steel is not a flawless movie by any stretch, but overcomplicated is not among its flaws.
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Old December 11 2013, 02:36 AM   #429
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MOS makes Memento look like Dr. Seuss. No, wait.... um. nevermind.
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Old December 11 2013, 02:43 AM   #430
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I don't know. I didn't find it confusing.
Me neither.
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Old December 11 2013, 03:36 AM   #431
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You guys are seriously getting your hopes up on Doomsday? Remember, this is supposed to be Superman vs. Batman...I don't see them squeezing Doomsday into that....

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(you guys can put the hate on Kirk5555 all you want, but he's right when he says that, right now, it looks like Lois Lane could beat the snot out of Wonder Woman)
Now I don't read enough of Kirk5555's posts to know if he reiterated the point, but I was the one who said that...just ask Christopher, you'd think I'd kicked his grandmother down a flight of stairs or something....

(My phrasing was "kick the shit out of", though.)

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Old December 11 2013, 03:41 AM   #432
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You guys are seriously getting your hopes up on Doomsday? Remember, this is supposed to be Superman vs. Batman...I don't see them squeezing Doomsday into that....

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(you guys can put the hate on Kirk5555 all you want, but he's right when he says that, right now, it looks like Lois Lane could beat the snot out of Wonder Woman)
Now I don't read enough of Kirk5555's posts to know if he reiterated the point, but I was the one who said that...just ask Christopher, you'd think I'd kicked his grandmother down a flight of stairs or something....

(My phrasing was "kick the shit out of", though.)

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(Oh , by the way, having the council being projected on the wall looked far more awesome)
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My mistake. I'm sorry.

The rest of your post made me laugh. A lot!

Thank you!
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Old December 11 2013, 05:27 AM   #433
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You guys are seriously getting your hopes up on Doomsday? Remember, this is supposed to be Superman vs. Batman...I don't see them squeezing Doomsday into that....

I'm not getting my hopes up on Doomsday. I hope they don't do Doomsday, I fear they ARE doing Doomsday. Doomsday isn't really a character, he was just an excuse to kill Superman so they could sell a lot of books. He was never that interesting to me. He's just a monster that punches hard. Bo-ring.

But, I think they just might be. It's a SUPERMAN sequel, yet they are already bringing in Batman AND Wonder Woman. It's like they don't have any confidence that they can do a sequel just about Superman. And it's not officially Superman VS. Batman... do you really think that the whole movie will literally be one against the other? It will be for a little bit, but, once a foe rears its head, it will take the two of them "working" together to bring down... Lex or Doomsday...

So, while I'm not hoping for Doomsday, I wouldn't be surprised if they do it just because after Lex, he's the most well known villain outside of Brainiac--and they just did a Kyptoinain thing, so...

Doomsday will provide the carnage porn that Snyder is looking for. You can't have a Superman movie without someone that Superman can punch for 15 to 20 minutes. And he ain't gonna punch Batman... or Bats will explode like a hotdog in a microwave.
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Old December 11 2013, 05:43 AM   #434
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Here's the problem with that, Superman punches Doomsday and Doomsday takes it.

Meh?
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Old December 11 2013, 05:48 AM   #435
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Here's the problem with that, Superman punches Doomsday and Doomsday takes it.

Meh?
No, it's Superman punches Doomsday, Doomsday goes flying, a building falls down. Doomsday gets up, he punches Superman, Superman goes flying, a building falls down. Rinse repeat. Collect 1 Billion dollars at the box office.
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