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Old December 9 2013, 12:19 AM   #286
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I take it you don't watch a lot of TV?
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Old December 9 2013, 12:49 AM   #287
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I take it you don't watch a lot of TV?
Live TV? No. I watch DVD Sets and record most stuff I watch to DVD and marathon through the season (Or half season) when it's done. Doctor Who, Walking Dead, Falling Skies and Once Upon A Time, I watch weekly, but, not live, I watch them on On Demand.

I take it you're saying it's been all over the TVScape?
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Old December 9 2013, 01:01 AM   #288
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Also, I'm not trying to insult Gadot, I'm just stating what I see. She's too small, and her previous F&F stuff seems to be purely eye candy junk thats in most action movies. Heck, even the wikipedia description of her character in F&F is just generic attractive female character stuff. The first clip I saw of her on youtube when she was first announced as WW? It was from one of her F&F scenes, and she literally brags about using her attractiveness to get what she wants (which I think is fingerprints from some guy, I don't know why) as she goes over and basically is just eye candy to get what she wants from the guy. It did not leave a good first impression. Before she started getting into movies, she was literally a model. WW needs a bulkier athletic type person, not someone who probably weighs less than your average 13 year old boy. I can literally see her ribs in several images. Thats too skinny for really any super heroine in a live action movie, but for WW that's especially small.
Just to expand a bit on the scene you mentioned in F & F.. she uses her model looks to get hard to come by fingerprints of the main villain and it's one of the most hilarious and cool scenes in the movie. She is using her sexuality but then it is what men respond to most to women usually and she just used her assets to speed up the process (you also got angry at the A Team for having Face? It was his main role in the team and i don't see anyone making a fuss over that).

As to her role.. what do you want? A hulking, female MMA fighter?

Who would fit visually for the role? I agree that she needs to bulk up for the role a bit but who's to say what her role entails and what she has to do?

If the producers know what they're doing they won't have her squre off against Superman and give him a run for his money.. even if it works in the comics (and from what i've seen lately of her she's not much more that a well proportioned woman and not some bodybuilder) movie audiences won't buy it because of the sheer physical disparity between a bulked up Cavil and a normal sized Gadot.

The same applies to Batman.. in most comics i've seen he has the physique of a top line bodybuilder yet every actor who portrayed him had a normal, human body and nobody cried foul because it was unbelievable that he could move through a bunch of people and defeat all of them.

And what about Bane? Comic Bane has the stature of Hulk.. movie Bane looks more like a beefed up dude and nobody lost their marbles about it.

So why not give her a chance and actually wait for the first results or maybe even the movie before lighting the torches and grabbing a pitchfork.
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Old December 9 2013, 01:05 AM   #289
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If the producers know what they're doing they won't have her squre off against Superman and give gim a run for his money.. even if it works in the comics (and from what i've seen lately of her she's not much more that a well proportioned woman and not some bodybuilder) movie audiences won't buy it because of the sheer physical disparity between a bulked up Cavil and a normal sized Gadot.
Audiences will usually buy it if a character has great strength from a supernatural source, even if they're physically smaller than their opponents, as long as it's played well on screen.
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Old December 9 2013, 02:51 AM   #291
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Just to expand a bit on the scene you mentioned in F & F.. she uses her model looks to get hard to come by fingerprints of the main villain and it's one of the most hilarious and cool scenes in the movie. She is using her sexuality but then it is what men respond to most to women usually and she just used her assets to speed up the process (you also got angry at the A Team for having Face? It was his main role in the team and i don't see anyone making a fuss over that).

As to her role.. what do you want? A hulking, female MMA fighter?

Who would fit visually for the role? I agree that she needs to bulk up for the role a bit but who's to say what her role entails and what she has to do?

If the producers know what they're doing they won't have her squre off against Superman and give him a run for his money.. even if it works in the comics (and from what i've seen lately of her she's not much more that a well proportioned woman and not some bodybuilder) movie audiences won't buy it because of the sheer physical disparity between a bulked up Cavil and a normal sized Gadot.

The same applies to Batman.. in most comics i've seen he has the physique of a top line bodybuilder yet every actor who portrayed him had a normal, human body and nobody cried foul because it was unbelievable that he could move through a bunch of people and defeat all of them.

And what about Bane? Comic Bane has the stature of Hulk.. movie Bane looks more like a beefed up dude and nobody lost their marbles about it.

So why not give her a chance and actually wait for the first results or maybe even the movie before lighting the torches and grabbing a pitchfork.
Well, if wonder woman decides to her physical attributes to, say, "distract" Lex Luthor (or whoever the villain is), we'll know that Goyer is officially trolling the world . The scene in F&F was stupid (I've never seen a similar seen that wasn't stupid) and its about as far away from WW as you can get. WW can be subtle, and unless the writer is really bad she's not some mindless warrior. But, she wouldn't do that, so seeing her actress to that was a bad first impression, although admittedly that has little to do with her being wW outside of judging her acting ability or what her previously most well known role was.

As for her not being able to beat up Superman, if Buffy can kick the ass of gigantic monsters then a live action WW can be written to fight Superman and be believable.

Batman also never has the physique of a body builder, except with artists that suck at anatomy. Top line male body builders look something like this

I doubt you'll find a version of batman that has that kind of body drawn by any halfway decent artist.

Besides, people can accept a less muscular, normal look for some heroes. The key word is normal. Gadot isn't normal, she's a super thin supermodel. Even then, if she was cast as heroines (from either company) like Scarlet Witch, Wasp, Batgirl/Woman, Fire, Ice, or even Black Canary it wouldn't be a big deal (at least, her size wouldn't be an issue, there would still be factors like acting ability). But WW, to me, needs to be bigger than a model. She doesn't need to be a freaky bodybuilder to kick ass, but she shouldn't look like she'd lose an arm wrestling contest to a 12 year old, or be blown over in a breeze.
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Old December 9 2013, 02:58 AM   #292
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You are still failing to grasp the very simple concept that people can train to change their body type. It's not rocket science.
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Old December 9 2013, 03:10 AM   #293
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Who remembers Illyria from Angel going to town on bad guys with the power of a god?

Tall and skinny, bloody good at her job.

On Person of Interest these days, you'd think that she was Jason Bourne on Ritalin.
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Old December 9 2013, 03:14 AM   #294
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Just to expand a bit on the scene you mentioned in F & F.. she uses her model looks to get hard to come by fingerprints of the main villain and it's one of the most hilarious and cool scenes in the movie. She is using her sexuality but then it is what men respond to most to women usually and she just used her assets to speed up the process (you also got angry at the A Team for having Face? It was his main role in the team and i don't see anyone making a fuss over that).

As to her role.. what do you want? A hulking, female MMA fighter?

Who would fit visually for the role? I agree that she needs to bulk up for the role a bit but who's to say what her role entails and what she has to do?

If the producers know what they're doing they won't have her squre off against Superman and give him a run for his money.. even if it works in the comics (and from what i've seen lately of her she's not much more that a well proportioned woman and not some bodybuilder) movie audiences won't buy it because of the sheer physical disparity between a bulked up Cavil and a normal sized Gadot.

The same applies to Batman.. in most comics i've seen he has the physique of a top line bodybuilder yet every actor who portrayed him had a normal, human body and nobody cried foul because it was unbelievable that he could move through a bunch of people and defeat all of them.

And what about Bane? Comic Bane has the stature of Hulk.. movie Bane looks more like a beefed up dude and nobody lost their marbles about it.

So why not give her a chance and actually wait for the first results or maybe even the movie before lighting the torches and grabbing a pitchfork.
Well, if wonder woman decides to her physical attributes to, say, "distract" Lex Luthor (or whoever the villain is), we'll know that Goyer is officially trolling the world . The scene in F&F was stupid (I've never seen a similar seen that wasn't stupid) and its about as far away from WW as you can get. WW can be subtle, and unless the writer is really bad she's not some mindless warrior. But, she wouldn't do that, so seeing her actress to that was a bad first impression, although admittedly that has little to do with her being wW outside of judging her acting ability or what her previously most well known role was.

As for her not being able to beat up Superman, if Buffy can kick the ass of gigantic monsters then a live action WW can be written to fight Superman and be believable.

Batman also never has the physique of a body builder, except with artists that suck at anatomy. Top line male body builders look something like this

I doubt you'll find a version of batman that has that kind of body drawn by any halfway decent artist.

Besides, people can accept a less muscular, normal look for some heroes. The key word is normal. Gadot isn't normal, she's a super thin supermodel. Even then, if she was cast as heroines (from either company) like Scarlet Witch, Wasp, Batgirl/Woman, Fire, Ice, or even Black Canary it wouldn't be a big deal (at least, her size wouldn't be an issue, there would still be factors like acting ability). But WW, to me, needs to be bigger than a model. She doesn't need to be a freaky bodybuilder to kick ass, but she shouldn't look like she'd lose an arm wrestling contest to a 12 year old, or be blown over in a breeze.
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Old December 9 2013, 03:22 AM   #295
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I take it you don't watch a lot of TV?
Live TV? No. I watch DVD Sets and record most stuff I watch to DVD and marathon through the season (Or half season) when it's done. Doctor Who, Walking Dead, Falling Skies and Once Upon A Time, I watch weekly, but, not live, I watch them on On Demand.

I take it you're saying it's been all over the TVScape?
Well yeah, you know, the news.
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Old December 9 2013, 03:32 AM   #296
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Live TV? No. I watch DVD Sets and record most stuff I watch to DVD and marathon through the season (Or half season) when it's done. Doctor Who, Walking Dead, Falling Skies and Once Upon A Time, I watch weekly, but, not live, I watch them on On Demand.

I take it you're saying it's been all over the TVScape?
Well yeah, you know, the news.
Well, obviously the News, but, he didn't ask if I watch the News specifically (Which I don't do either anymore), he asked if I watch TV in General, which suggests someone who watches alot of TV, and not necessarily the News would still be exposed to the story, since many people watch lots of TV, but, not the News.
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Old December 9 2013, 03:38 AM   #297
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You are still failing to grasp the very simple concept that people can train to change their body type. It's not rocket science.
She's a sentient stick. She could spend years training and probably still look like she's about to starve to death. She's also short, and even with filming tricks its a problem. She also probably doesn't have the acting ability. She's never had a role anything like WW. She's an extremely obscure actress whose only notably work was a small role in a few stupid car movies. Not only that, but every scene I can find is her being generic eye candy, stuff that's in every idiotic action movie.

This is Wonder Woman, she should be getting a good actress who doesn't need tricks to look like WW. Instead, we get someone who will never work as the character. Best case scenario, she gets instantly recast after the movie, or WW is just dropped from the movies. Both are possible, especially with Goyer writing. At this point even a good actress will almost certainly not be able to work with his writing. I make fun of Kevin Costner, but no one could have played that moronic, horribly written Johnathon Kent any better, and no actress could have made MoS Lois Lane into anything special. WW will probably be like that, except with the extra handicap of bad casting.
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how do you know that Wonder Woman will be a minor character in this film?
Well, they didn't announce it as "Batman Vs. Superman & Wonder Woman"...
Batman/Superman or Batman VS Superman isn't the official title of the film anyway. it could be called World's Finest or even Justice League for all we know.
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Gotta disagree about Amy Adams' Lois, I thought she was great. Margot Kidder was alright, And Kate Bosworth didn't appeal to me at all, so, Amy Adams, IMHO was the best Movie Lois, and I am definitely looking forward to her in a second movie
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She's a sentient stick. She could spend years training and probably still look like she's about to starve to death. She's also short, and even with filming tricks its a problem. She also probably doesn't have the acting ability. She's never had a role anything like WW. She's an extremely obscure actress whose only notably work was a small role in a few stupid car movies. Not only that, but every scene I can find is her being generic eye candy, stuff that's in every idiotic action movie.
It's almost as if you were describing Christopher Reeves in 1977 (while being deliberately insulting)
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