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Old December 7 2013, 06:06 AM   #241
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Almost every single picture I can find of her, and all the clips I've seen, make her look like she's about to starve to death. She's almost the skinniest model/actress I've ever seen. She looks like she survives on a glass of water a day.
Have you ever looked at the actual runway models, at things like Paris or NY Fashion Week? Seriously, some of those women make her look fat.

I've noticed that a lot of the women you see in things SI Swimsuits, and in ads for things Victoria Secret, usually don't seem to be quite as skinny as the fashion models in fashion mags, and on the runways at fashion weeks.
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Old December 7 2013, 06:46 AM   #242
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Flesh is not allowed to distract the buyers from the clothes.

Is what we were "told".

However if that was completely true, marionette strings would have replaced models decades ago.
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Old December 7 2013, 06:50 AM   #243
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^Is that really the reason they give? I think the models would be a lot less distracting if they didn't make you want to pull them off the runway and feed them.
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Old December 7 2013, 08:13 AM   #244
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I would just like to point out: there are no pictures of Wonder Woman.

Wonder Woman is a drawn fictional character who for 70 some years has been drawn by many many different people and has looked different in those pictures over those 70 plus years.

So, again, there are no pictures of Wonder Woman. Just lines on a page representing a human being. An almost impossible human being.
Thats just stupid. Yes, she's not a real person. But, by your logic, anyone can be cast as any fictional character, at least from comics, because they don't actually exist.

Richie Rich Remake? Call Vin Diesel. Live action Archie? Anthony Hopkins can obviously play the title character. Need a Zatanna? Well, then look no farther than Betty White.

Not counting elseworlds stories or other people that have used the name, the normal Wonder Woman (Diana Prince, daughter of Hipployta) has stayed consistent since she was created. So have most superheros. Almost every major superhero has basic traits that have been consistent for basically their whole existence, with things like faces changing by artist but still recognizable as the characters regardless.

Wonder Woman's traits:

Female (obviously)

Caucasian or possibly greek (I think it still counts as Caucasian anyway, but being from an ancient greek like civilization it could be specifically used as a basis), but generally still Caucasian looking. She usually looks like, appearance wise, she could have come from America, canada, britain, or similar countires, although this can be tweaked a bit and it wouldn't matter.

Strong and athletic, but not to a female body builder level (not counting bad anatomy in some eras, like the 90s). Her more...feminine attributes can vary, and to me it doesn't particularly matter. As a general rule, in more modern times she's usually only beaten by Power Girl in that category, although that literally doesn't matter at all to me for casting or how she's drawn.

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height varies, from around 5'10 with a clueless artist to about 7 feet tall in a few extreme cases. As a good median, she's usually taller than batman but shorter than (or equal to) Superman, so about 6'2'' to 6'4'' or maybe 6'5'' on the outside.

Thats been fairly consistent since she's been around, although her creepy creator probably made her shorter and smaller than normal. But, I'd say by the Silver age and later she's generally been as I described her, and thats how I judge casting choices by. You may find outliers and elseworlds stories, but I don't think you'll find many comics set in any era's main continuity (outside of, again, possibly her weird creators time and the rest of the Golden age) that stray far from those traits. So, fictional or not, she has consistency.

Gadot doesn't match that, and the ways she really doesn't match (height and build) aren't things I see her adding to a significant degree.
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Old December 7 2013, 09:03 AM   #245
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How doesn't she match?

Female, yes Gadot is female.

Caucasian. Yes, Gadot is Caucasian. (Greeks are Caucasian as are most Israelis)

Strong and athletic. Former soldier and sports trainer, so athletic is probable. Strong is irrelevant since any feats of strength will be FX.

Black hair. Irrelevant as hair can be dyed. Gadot does have dark hair, though.

Height. Also irrelevant as the character has no consistent height. Taller than Batman????? Really?

Here a pic featuring two Wonder Women by George Perez. You'll note she's shorter than Superman and Batman.

Here's a picture of the New52 Justice League where she's almost a head shorter than Superman.
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Old December 7 2013, 09:07 AM   #246
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If Tom Cruise or Tom Hanks wanted to play Wonder Woman, no one would be able to stop them, or want to stop them.

the usual fucking double standards.
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Old December 7 2013, 09:16 AM   #247
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^I would want to stop them. And by heaven, no matter what it took, I would stop them.
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Old December 7 2013, 09:25 AM   #248
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Height is pretty irrelevant considering that film makers can make anyone look 7 feet tall if they want to. You'd be surprised how many stars are put on platforms to make them look taller in a scene. (Tom Cruise, Mel Gibson)
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Old December 7 2013, 11:25 AM   #249
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I hear the planning for a JL cast is already in progress... maybe...

Thank you . Just the relief I needed from some of the asinine comments here.
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Old December 7 2013, 12:32 PM   #250
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Height is pretty irrelevant considering that film makers can make anyone look 7 feet tall if they want to. You'd be surprised how many stars are put on platforms to make them look taller in a scene. (Tom Cruise, Mel Gibson)
Yeah, a lot of Hollywood stars are significantly shorter than you'd expect: http://www.nextmovie.com/wp-content/...HHC-Hi-res.jpg
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Old December 7 2013, 12:35 PM   #251
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Height is pretty irrelevant considering that film makers can make anyone look 7 feet tall if they want to. You'd be surprised how many stars are put on platforms to make them look taller in a scene. (Tom Cruise, Mel Gibson)
Yeah, a lot of Hollywood stars are significantly shorter than you'd expect: http://www.nextmovie.com/wp-content/...HHC-Hi-res.jpg
They've been doing that for a long time. How tall was King Kong?
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Old December 7 2013, 07:11 PM   #252
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How doesn't she match?

Female, yes Gadot is female.

Caucasian. Yes, Gadot is Caucasian. (Greeks are Caucasian as are most Israelis)

Strong and athletic. Former soldier and sports trainer, so athletic is probable. Strong is irrelevant since any feats of strength will be FX.

Black hair. Irrelevant as hair can be dyed. Gadot does have dark hair, though.

Height. Also irrelevant as the character has no consistent height. Taller than Batman????? Really?

Here a pic featuring two Wonder Women by George Perez. You'll note she's shorter than Superman and Batman.

Here's a picture of the New52 Justice League where she's almost a head shorter than Superman.

You can't count most of the New 52, especially Justice League. She's just portrayed as a brutal almost barbaric warrior in that book. They also loved to have a few hilariously stupid poses by artist Jim Lee where she';s posed in a very awkward position just to show cleavage, even when it makes no sense in the situation. New 52 Wonder Woman in her own book is easily 6'4''+, and written a lot better. Jim Lee and the other artists on the main JL book are just idiots (just like the writer), and the main Justice League book could never be called a particularly faithful portrayal of the character.

As for Perez, while I like him, you'll notice he has Batman taller than Superman in that image, which is definitely not normal. If nothing else, WW is usually drawn taller than the average guy. In general terms, look at a lot of Morrison's JLA run, where she usually is a bit taller than Batman with a good artist, or at the very least not shorter.. There is also her new 52 book, where she towers over normal sized women and is comparable to characters like Orion.

From a build perspective, Gadot is not strong looking. She's probably athletic, I'm not going to argue that. But, she's really skinny. sure, the super strength isn't going to be accurately represented by the size anyway, but she's still an Amazon warrior. She needs to be physically bigger than a runway model when it comes to build, and she's not. She has the build of a model, and thats just not WW anymore than being super fat would suit Batman. When the actress playing WW is making Scarlett Johansson's Black widow look like a legitimate threat (and she's shorter than Seth Green), something went very wrong in casting, at least from the perspective of trying to get a actress that resembles the character.

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Height is pretty irrelevant considering that film makers can make anyone look 7 feet tall if they want to. You'd be surprised how many stars are put on platforms to make them look taller in a scene. (Tom Cruise, Mel Gibson)
That only works so much. Besides, even if they use film tricks for height (which I doubt they'll bother to do) she's still skinnier than I'd expect even a movie version of Robin to be. WW should be a powerful looking, tall woman. Gadot is a very fragile looking woman who looks like a breeze will knock her out. If they made her appear taller, she'd just probably look odd, a woman who looks underweight and fragile for 5'9'' is not going to look any tougher or more like WW if they give her a few inches of fake height.
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Old December 7 2013, 08:05 PM   #253
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That only works so much.
It actually works really damn well. Do you really think Arnie and Stallone are as tall as portrayed in their movies?
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According to the The DC Comics Encyclopedia Wonder Woman is 6', Batman is 6'2", and Superman is 6'3". That seems about right given how they're usually drawn in the comics. At 5'9" Gal Gadot can easily be boosted to the right height for Wonder Woman. Affleck is a couple of inches taller than Cavill, but they can easily be filmed to look about the same height onscreen.
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Old December 7 2013, 08:34 PM   #255
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How doesn't she match?

Female, yes Gadot is female.

Caucasian. Yes, Gadot is Caucasian. (Greeks are Caucasian as are most Israelis)

Strong and athletic. Former soldier and sports trainer, so athletic is probable. Strong is irrelevant since any feats of strength will be FX.

Black hair. Irrelevant as hair can be dyed. Gadot does have dark hair, though.

Height. Also irrelevant as the character has no consistent height. Taller than Batman????? Really?

Here a pic featuring two Wonder Women by George Perez. You'll note she's shorter than Superman and Batman.

Here's a picture of the New52 Justice League where she's almost a head shorter than Superman.

You can't count most of the New 52, especially Justice League. She's just portrayed as a brutal almost barbaric warrior in that book. They also loved to have a few hilariously stupid poses by artist Jim Lee where she';s posed in a very awkward position just to show cleavage, even when it makes no sense in the situation. New 52 Wonder Woman in her own book is easily 6'4''+, and written a lot better. Jim Lee and the other artists on the main JL book are just idiots (just like the writer), and the main Justice League book could never be called a particularly faithful portrayal of the character.
What does her being portrayed as a "brutal almost barbaric warrior" have to do with her height? Or "hilariously stupid poses" for that matter? The point is Wonder Woman's height is inconsistent, your dislike of certain writers and artist isn't a factor.

As for Perez, while I like him, you'll notice he has Batman taller than Superman in that image, which is definitely not normal. If nothing else, WW is usually drawn taller than the average guy. In general terms, look at a lot of Morrison's JLA run, where she usually is a bit taller than Batman with a good artist, or at the very least not shorter.. There is also her new 52 book, where she towers over normal sized women and is comparable to characters like Orion.
You do realize you're proving my point, right? Oh and Batman and Superman are the same height in that picture.
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