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Old December 21 2013, 04:02 AM   #151
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In regards to the Borg fighting against altKirk and crew, I have no problem with that. Enterprise (which is still completely 100% correct in this timeline as well) already established Borg tech pre-TOS, so Kirk and company coming up against them would be perfectly acceptable.

But why not throw the TOS crew up against Cardassians? The 2009 movie confirms Starfleet has meet the Cardies at this point, and it would provide audiences with something they've never seen before (TOS era Cardassians) without it feeling quite so... contrived as bringing in the Borg.
The Borg have more pop culture recognition than the Cardassians, so Hollywood suits would feel more comfortable with a Borg movie than they would a Cardassian one.

Although, I guess if they wanted to, they could try to generate publicity for the Cardassians by somehow tying in the Kardashians...

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Old December 21 2013, 04:09 AM   #152
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Re: J.J. admits keeping Khan's identity a secret was a mistake

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In regards to the Borg fighting against altKirk and crew, I have no problem with that. Enterprise (which is still completely 100% correct in this timeline as well) already established Borg tech pre-TOS, so Kirk and company coming up against them would be perfectly acceptable.

But why not throw the TOS crew up against Cardassians? The 2009 movie confirms Starfleet has meet the Cardies at this point, and it would provide audiences with something they've never seen before (TOS era Cardassians) without it feeling quite so... contrived as bringing in the Borg.
The Borg have more pop culture recognition than the Cardassians, so Hollywood suits would feel more comfortable with a Borg movie than they would a Cardassian one.
Oh definitely, but that's kinda what I mean. The inclusion of the Borg wouldn't feel like an organic (for want of a better word) decision on the part of the film-makers. It'd feel to me like a cynical marketing decision, rather than something that is in the best interests of the script. A little like using Khan did, in fact...

But like I say, concerns like "But the Borg belonged to TNG..." don't matter to me so much. It's irrelevant. ENT already introduced the Borg into the pre-timeline change canon, so it wouldn't be an issue to weave them into the script.
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Old December 21 2013, 04:10 AM   #153
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Re: J.J. admits keeping Khan's identity a secret was a mistake

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In regards to the Borg fighting against altKirk and crew, I have no problem with that. Enterprise (which is still completely 100% correct in this timeline as well) already established Borg tech pre-TOS, so Kirk and company coming up against them would be perfectly acceptable.

But why not throw the TOS crew up against Cardassians? The 2009 movie confirms Starfleet has meet the Cardies at this point, and it would provide audiences with something they've never seen before (TOS era Cardassians) without it feeling quite so... contrived as bringing in the Borg.
The Borg have more pop culture recognition than the Cardassians, so Hollywood suits would feel more comfortable with a Borg movie than they would a Cardassian one.

Although, I guess if they wanted to, they could try to generate publicity for the Cardassians by somehow tying in the Kardashians...

I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.
Am I the only one here bored by both the Cardassians and Kardashians?
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Old December 21 2013, 04:29 AM   #154
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Re: J.J. admits keeping Khan's identity a secret was a mistake

^ All Kardashians would look much, much less...creepy...drawn as Cardassians.

That being said:
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Old December 21 2013, 08:46 AM   #155
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Re: J.J. admits keeping Khan's identity a secret was a mistake

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In regards to the Borg fighting against altKirk and crew, I have no problem with that. Enterprise (which is still completely 100% correct in this timeline as well) already established Borg tech pre-TOS, so Kirk and company coming up against them would be perfectly acceptable.

But why not throw the TOS crew up against Cardassians? The 2009 movie confirms Starfleet has meet the Cardies at this point, and it would provide audiences with something they've never seen before (TOS era Cardassians) without it feeling quite so... contrived as bringing in the Borg.
It's a completly alternate universe. They just wanted to make the fans happy before completly ignoring the old continuity.
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Old December 21 2013, 02:59 PM   #156
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They didn't completely ignore the old continuity; there are various nods to it, references to TOS, TNG, and ENT, design choices, etc. STID even lampshades "how things would have turned out in the original timeline", and of course we see Prime timeline stuff in the 2009 mind-meld. It's kind of hard to ignore a continuity when one of your characters is a refugee from it. But the larger point is that there is no "old continuity" and "new continuity". ST09 and STID are part of the same overall continuity as all the earlier films and shows.
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Old December 21 2013, 03:46 PM   #157
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In regards to the Borg fighting against altKirk and crew, I have no problem with that. Enterprise (which is still completely 100% correct in this timeline as well) already established Borg tech pre-TOS, so Kirk and company coming up against them would be perfectly acceptable.

But why not throw the TOS crew up against Cardassians? The 2009 movie confirms Starfleet has meet the Cardies at this point, and it would provide audiences with something they've never seen before (TOS era Cardassians) without it feeling quite so... contrived as bringing in the Borg.
The Borg have more pop culture recognition than the Cardassians, so Hollywood suits would feel more comfortable with a Borg movie than they would a Cardassian one.
Oh definitely, but that's kinda what I mean. The inclusion of the Borg wouldn't feel like an organic (for want of a better word) decision on the part of the film-makers. It'd feel to me like a cynical marketing decision, rather than something that is in the best interests of the script. A little like using Khan did, in fact...
After seeing STID and how the original character John Harrison was just replaced by Khan for nothing other than "cynical marketing decisions" I'm convinced this series is nothing more than Hollywood suits making what they believe will be a marketable and profitable movie as opposed to writers with a script telling a story they want to tell.

So Trek XIII will be about the Borg with misquoted lines from TWOK and TBOBW homages. Hell, I'm sure they'll even include Commander Shelby, and if anyone does realize this makes no sense whatsoever a hastily added line will be written after the fact saying she's in fact an ancestor of Shelby from TBOBW. NuShelby will of course have an underwear scene which will be seen in all the trailers and promos. Orci will somehow have the gall to say this doesn't objectify women pointing to an earlier scene with Chris Pine shirtless to prove there is equality.
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Old December 21 2013, 04:17 PM   #158
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So Trek XIII will be about the Borg with misquoted lines from TWOK and TBOBW homages. Hell, I'm sure they'll even include Commander Shelby, and if anyone does realize this makes no sense whatsoever a hastily added line will be written after the fact saying she's in fact an ancestor of Shelby from TBOBW. NuShelby will of course have an underwear scene which will be seen in all the trailers and promos. Orci will somehow have the gall to say this doesn't objectify women pointing to an earlier scene with Chris Pine shirtless to prove there is equality.
No doubt they'll also throw in stuff from First Contact too. Spock will probably get all angry because that's what he does in these movies and get to say Picard's "The line must be drawn here" speech. The Borg Queen will be a big breasted blonde who walks around in a silver space bikini.
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Old December 21 2013, 04:36 PM   #159
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No doubt they'll also throw in stuff from First Contact too. Spock will probably get all angry because that's what he does in these movies and get to say Picard's "The line must be drawn here" speech.
Of course, I feel silly forgetting to include that.

The Borg Queen will be a big breasted blonde who walks around in a silver space bikini.
But isn't that basically Seven of Nine? Yeah, I guess they'll contrive to include her. Perhaps NuShelby gets assimilated and is then referred to as Seven of Nine?
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Old December 21 2013, 09:47 PM   #160
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Old December 21 2013, 11:29 PM   #161
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Not seeing an issue here...
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Old December 22 2013, 12:17 AM   #162
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Re: J.J. admits keeping Khan's identity a secret was a mistake

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In regards to the Borg fighting against altKirk and crew, I have no problem with that. Enterprise (which is still completely 100% correct in this timeline as well) already established Borg tech pre-TOS, so Kirk and company coming up against them would be perfectly acceptable.

But why not throw the TOS crew up against Cardassians? The 2009 movie confirms Starfleet has meet the Cardies at this point, and it would provide audiences with something they've never seen before (TOS era Cardassians) without it feeling quite so... contrived as bringing in the Borg.
The Borg have more pop culture recognition than the Cardassians, so Hollywood suits would feel more comfortable with a Borg movie than they would a Cardassian one.

Although, I guess if they wanted to, they could try to generate publicity for the Cardassians by somehow tying in the Kardashians...

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Not seeing an issue here...
Sounds totally Canon to me.
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Old December 23 2013, 07:43 PM   #163
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I don't think they really wanted an alternate timeline though. That's just a bone thrown to fans who care too much about that kind of thing. It's pretty obvious that they just wanted to do a reboot, and that's essentially what we're getting.
How do you know what they wanted? All this "bone thrown to fans" stuff is just what certain people insist on believing.
We don't know. Abrams simply isn't trusted by some... or many. They believe he lies, disembles and misdirects. Like most of us, he does what is in his own interests and justifies it in terms he knows others will accept. The knowledge of ourselves drives the cynicism toward Abrams. And who's to say that gives us the wrong impression? Or are we to believe Hollywood exists for the fans? Abrams does what Abrams wants - like anyone else - and what's so wrong with pandering, mollifying and prevarication?
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Old December 23 2013, 08:49 PM   #164
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I don't think they really wanted an alternate timeline though. That's just a bone thrown to fans who care too much about that kind of thing. It's pretty obvious that they just wanted to do a reboot, and that's essentially what we're getting.
How do you know what they wanted? All this "bone thrown to fans" stuff is just what certain people insist on believing.
We don't know. Abrams simply isn't trusted by some... or many. They believe he lies, disembles and misdirects. Like most of us, he does what is in his own interests and justifies it in terms he knows others will accept. The knowledge of ourselves drives the cynicism toward Abrams. And who's to say that gives us the wrong impression? Or are we to believe Hollywood exists for the fans? Abrams does what Abrams wants - like anyone else - and what's so wrong with pandering, mollifying and prevarication?
Everyone trusts Abrams. That's why he's getting so much work. Have you directed a Star Wars trilogy lately?
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Old December 23 2013, 09:57 PM   #165
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As far as we know at this point he's only doing one as opposed to a trilogy.
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