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Old December 3 2013, 03:20 AM   #91
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"Time-wimey" plots are therefore something that could come under the Tenth Doctor era?
Davison's Mawdryn Undead is time wimey. Multiple time zones and a duplicate Brigadier!

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As is Pertwee's Day of the Daleks, with an ontological paradox at the centre of the story. Moffat made it a regular thing.
Tom Baker's "City of Death" also does some interesting things with time and causality.
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Old December 3 2013, 03:23 AM   #92
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It goes as far back as "The Space Museum", actually, which leads me to think that the timey-wimeyness started with the first Doctor.
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Old December 3 2013, 04:01 AM   #93
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Still, stories that made use of time travel as more than just a vehicle to get into and out of the story were extremely sparse in the original series, usually just a couple per Doctor. It's a much more dominant thread in Moffat's work, both as writer and showrunner.
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Old December 3 2013, 05:21 AM   #94
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Though Terrance Dicks' novelisations call it the Chameleon Circuit as far back as 1975. One of many details that start out in the Target books and later get confirmed onscreen having become fanon in the meantime.
That's interesting. What are some of the others?

Of course, since Dicks was the show's story editor for some time, these could be the kind of details that are part of the series bible or behind-the-scenes materials but only belatedly get mentioned onscreen.
Ooh, you've caught me there. The inevitable problem is that having read and re-read those early novelisations in the days before I had a video, I tend to forget what's actually come from the books! Even though I've now seen them four or five times, I still get taken by surprise when the actual episodes don't include lines or scenes that were in the book...
Pretty sure though that the Brigadier's middle name, Gordon, first turned up in the books. And a lot of the stuff about the Doctor's academy-era relationships with the Master and Borusa come more from Barry Letts and Malcolm Hulke's novelisations of the Delgado stories, and Terrance's novelisation of The Deadly Assassin (which would have just gone across Graham Williams and Anthony Read's desks for approval when they were rush-writing Invasion of Time) than the actual episodes.
But to be strictly accurate, I just pulled a couple of the old books off the shelf, and Terrance doesn't actually use the words 'chameleon circuit' in Doctor Who and the Terror of the Autons (published March 75). Instead, we get "The Doctor knew that the Master's TARDIS, unlike his own, still had its chameleon mechanism in working order." And then a bit later, "...on one of his visits to twentieth century London, the chameleon circuits had worn out, and he had been unable to replace them." (So close, but not quite there. Six pages later, the Doctor recognises a bomb as "a Sontaran fragmentation grenade" and he didn't say that in the original story!)
Checking back a bit, Malcolm Hulke's April 1974 novelisation of Colony in Space, The Doomsday Weapon, has a Time Lord observe that one of the two defects to the Doctor's TARDIS is "that particular TARDIS had lost its chameleon-like quality. It was in for repairs..." Seeing as Hulke wrote that Cushing radio pilot, and he was Terrance Dicks' best friend and sometime landlord, it seems a fair bet that he actually came up with the phrase (in the same chapter, he also comes up with the title Keeper for the guardian of the Time Lords' files, though it's Keeper of the Files, not 'of the Matrix').
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Old December 3 2013, 05:19 PM   #95
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Can't we give 7 Flying Daleks
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Old December 3 2013, 05:30 PM   #96
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If I understand the question correctly, then yes, "Remembrance of the Daleks" in the McCoy era was the first to explicitly show a Dalek levitating up a flight of stairs. However, "The Chase" back in Hartnell's second year shows Daleks on multiple decks of the Marie Celeste, implying that they had some means of moving between levels.
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Old December 3 2013, 08:14 PM   #97
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If I understand the question correctly, then yes, "Remembrance of the Daleks" in the McCoy era was the first to explicitly show a Dalek levitating up a flight of stairs. However, "The Chase" back in Hartnell's second year shows Daleks on multiple decks of the Marie Celeste, implying that they had some means of moving between levels.
And we saw Daleks hover in Revelation of the Daleks.
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For the Ninth Doctor, you could add the vortex manipulator
Perhaps. The wristbands from The Keys of Marinus (Hartnell) look awefully similar, and are described as being similar to the principle powering the TARDIS, although those particular devices couldn't time travel.
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Old December 3 2013, 09:26 PM   #99
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To me, things like "vortex manipulator" (and a few other things on the list) are getting down in the weeds - its like transmats - handy bit of tech for the plot but hardly something I consider essential to the 'mythos'.
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Old December 3 2013, 10:10 PM   #100
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And we saw Daleks hover in Revelation of the Daleks.
I don't remember that. I remember transparent Dalek cases, when did they hover.
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Old December 4 2013, 02:21 AM   #101
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Remembrance was on the Doctor Who revisited series. The Daleks definitely levitated to go up the stairs. Not only that, but they referenced the whole "defeated by stairs" thing first. In many ways, Dalek was just a repeat of that scene.
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Old December 4 2013, 03:34 AM   #102
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Although "Dalek" enhanced it by adding the classic "El-e-vate!"
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And we saw Daleks hover in Revelation of the Daleks.
I don't remember that. I remember transparent Dalek cases, when did they hover.
Davros, in his Dalek chair, hovered in that one.
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And we saw Daleks hover in Revelation of the Daleks.
I don't remember that. I remember transparent Dalek cases, when did they hover.
Davros, in his Dalek chair, hovered in that one.
Wasn't Davros a head in a jar in Revelation?
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Old December 4 2013, 03:32 PM   #105
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Although "Dalek" enhanced it by adding the classic "El-e-vate!"
I thought that was cheesey!

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