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Old December 11 2013, 07:55 AM   #46
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Re: Sad/happy/bittersweet endings

I liked the Arnie version but hated the later version.

Both movie endings were extremely different from the orginal Philip K Dick short story.
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Old December 11 2013, 08:10 AM   #47
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@Locutus: Do you also think that Total Recall (the Ah-nuld version) ended with Quaid being lobotomized and the whole thing is his Rekall fantasy?
Well, there is the "blue sky on Mars" comment at Rekall before he even gets put under, which is pretty solid evidence, and his Martian girlfriend appearing on the screen (though that's a little more ambiguous since the effects of the memory implant had just started to take hold).

Of course the reboot only treated that reality/dream ambiguity like a secondary consideration and not the entire friggin' point. It had good action and production values, but was ultimately pretty shallow compared to the Arnie version (there's something you don't hear often). Still enjoyable, though.
I don't understand how anything implies that Quaid is lobotomized, though. Couldn't it have just been one helluva program?
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Old December 11 2013, 08:27 AM   #48
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I didn't say anything about the lobotomization, just the fantasy.
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Old December 11 2013, 08:33 AM   #49
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OK, it seemed to be part of the question, though.
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Old December 11 2013, 10:05 AM   #50
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Re: Sad/happy/bittersweet endings

Unlike the "blue sky on Mars" bit, there's no direct evidence to support or dismiss it, which is why I didn't address it. It all depends on if you take Dr. Sweatyhead at his word. It would seem likely to be true, if you buy into it all being a fantasy, which then lends him credence since he's describing outside events, but then at the same time Quaid's wife within the dream immediately reacts to his demise negatively, which points to him being part of the hallucination. But there's no way to prove it, either way.
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Old December 11 2013, 10:15 AM   #51
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Old December 11 2013, 11:49 AM   #52
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Yeah.
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Old December 11 2013, 12:19 PM   #53
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Shōgun
by author James Clavell, is superbly crafted samurai action with an ending that is truly sad, happy and bittersweet, all at once.
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Old December 11 2013, 12:45 PM   #54
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Re: Sad/happy/bittersweet endings

If you like happy ends, I recommend "The Wedding Dress" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0290104/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
One of the best bittersweet movies I've watched this year is "The Namesake" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0433416/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
I believe both are currently available at Amazon.
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Old December 12 2013, 03:15 AM   #55
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Wasn't Minority Report supposed to be some sort of sequel to Total Recall at some point? That would make the similarity even more interesting.
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Old December 12 2013, 02:14 PM   #56
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Wasn't Minority Report supposed to be some sort of sequel to Total Recall at some point? That would make the similarity even more interesting.
Yeah, when it was first optioned back in the late-80s along with other PKD books it was intended as a sequel to Total Recall (don't know if it would have included Arnie or not, but I assume so). Just shows how long it takes and how difficult it can be for some films to actually make to the big screen. While I love Ahnuld movies (if he would have been the star), I'm glad things turned out the way it did with Spielberg and Cruise. Arnie can certainly make a great scifi movie (and has made several), but the tone and action would have been hugely different from what we got, and I love what we got and think it's one of the best scifi films ever.
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